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Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2004, 04:28:10 PM »
Who knows about Skyview?
or Terry Legree(sp?)



Skyview is the new course in the Citrus Hills development near Lecanto.  Just down the road a couple miles from Black Diamond.  I played it last spring and was pleasently surprised.

It is by far the best course in the group, from what I have heard their first couple were not much to speak of, but Skyview is a good FL golf course.  There are some good holes out there.  Again I do not know what it will look like in a few years when it is fully developed, but right now there is still some pretty pristine holes out there.

I wasnt really expecting much based on what I had heard about the original courses there.

ps for you baseball nuts it is also probably less than a mile from the Ted Williams "Hitters Hall of Fame" facility.
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2004, 08:41:25 PM »
I'm off to Sarasota tomorrow. My schedule is:
Venetian(Chip Powell)
Bobcat Trail(Bob Tway)
Old Orange(Bob Cupp)
University Park(Ron Garl)
I'll report when I return.
Steve

Here is some more info on Eagle Creek from www.cybergolf.com


Florida Course to Use Unique Grass On Greens
When Eagle Creek Golf Club opens in Southeast Orlando in spring 2004, Florida golfers will experience a new type of grass on the putting surfaces never before seen in the state. It is a grass that consistently ranks at or near the top in national field testing. Mini Verde, the fifth type of ultra dwarf Bermuda in existence, will provide Eagle Creek with extremely durable and fast-rolling putting surfaces, according to results seen in other parts of the South.  
 
"Eagle Creek chose Mini Verde because we feel it will recover faster from stresses such as verticutting and disease pressures," said Eagle Creek superintendent Buck Buckner, formerly of Isleworth Country Club in Orlando. "Another great aspect of Mini Verde that the golfers will especially enjoy is that it will tolerate low mowing heights which equates to faster greens. And, the putting surfaces will have a darker green color."  
 
Five other states – Texas, Mississippi, South Carolina, Arizona and Louisiana – feature courses with Mini Verde greens. Based on these early successes, there will be many more in the future.  
 
"It will be a natural progression," said Eagle Creek General Manager Gary Piotrowski. "Tifeagle has been the most popular choice of grass on greens the last few years, but Mini Verde outperforms it in nearly every category, according to the superintendents we polled who have used both. The primary reason for choosing an ultra dwarf grass is to increase green speed. Ultra dwarfs can tolerate lower mowing heights. Secondly, these grasses appear to be cleaner (no off-type grasses mixed in) than the majority of tifdwarf on the market today. And Mini Verde is at the top of the list."  
 
Eagle Creek is a Ron Garl/Howard Swan design located on Narcoosssee Road just southwest of Lake Nona. The 7,198-yard, par-73 layout promises to be a strategically demanding yet playable golf course, featuring ample landing areas and challenging green complexes. Swan's European background is apparent in the course's bunkering, as many of the 90 sand bunkers are rivetted, creating difficult recovery shots.  
 
The most unique aspect of the Eagle Creek is its five par-5s, including the finisher, a 480-yard par 5 that offers a chance to reach the green in two. But the sloping putting surface is bordered in front and along the right by water, requiring extreme accuracy on the approach.  
 
Garl is excited about the design, especially the green complexes. "Eagle Creek is unique to the Orlando area for a couple of reasons," the veteran architect said. "We have a true British flair with the bunkering. And many of the green complexes have chipping areas with bunkers placed outside the chipping areas. In America, greens typically fall away from the sides. The green complexes at Eagle Creek are very reminiscent of Great Britain."  
 
The New England manor-style clubhouse overlooks the 18th hole. It features a 120-seat restaurant, a banquet room that accommodates 150 people, men's and women's locker rooms and a pro shop. Eagle Creek is registered as an Audubon International Silver Signature course.  
 
Eagle Creek's location, 12 minutes from the Orlando International Airport, makes it a natural site for groups and conventioneers. It may become a favorite of locals as well. The golf course is designed to blend unobtrusively with the soon-to-be built homes in the master-planned Eagle Creek Golf Community, which will boast a community park and recreation center for residents.  
 
The Eagle Creek golf course and community are part of a subsidiary of Emerson International, Inc.; the United States division of the United Kingdom-based Emerson Group.  
« Last Edit: January 09, 2004, 08:42:15 PM by Steve (acer2x) Shaffer »
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Matt_Ward

Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2004, 01:21:07 PM »
As one of the strongest supporters of Florida golf  ::) can any of your learned gentlemen state without qualifications if the new courses are anywhere near the league of say a Copperhead / Innisbrook or a World Woods / Pine Barrens or Ocean Hammock?

Playing more of the same "tried and true" layouts is nothing more than seeing a repeat TV show in which you know full well all the dialogue.

Many thanks ... I have heard a good deal about the Bates / Couples course on the Pandhandle and I have that on my radar screen in the next few weeks. Should I bother?

Will E

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Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2004, 05:01:41 PM »
Calusa Pines would be preferred by many over World Woods. I'ts a close call for me, and is worthy of a look for sure.

Also just played Old Orange and Shadow Wood Preserve.

Old Orange is worth seeing for the work Cupp did on the green complexes. The land is rather drab (think it might have been a farm a year or two ago) with the exeption of the 8th hole that I would consider being in the same league of the courses Matt list, other than that it's a rather typical FL course with some outstanding and interesting work around and on the greens. The second course is routed through better property along the Orange river and looks very promising.

Shadow Wood Preserve (Art Hills) is built on a nice property a couple of miles from where he designed the original Marsh course for Bonita Bay. The course is in wonderful condition and the staff is very professional, the course is a joke.

Twin Eagles (Jackie and Jack Nicklaus) in East Naples is a solid design, though Matt would argue that the land prevents the course from being in the same league.

Hideout (Kelly Moran) in Golden Gate is one of my favorite courses to play in the area. The the bunker work is rather bland though the routing, shaping and conditioning make this a gem.

yogi_barry

Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2004, 10:10:03 AM »
Matt,

Re: Couples/Bates in the Panhandle.  May disappoint if you are making a special trip for that purpose only.  If you mix in Sharks Tooth & Camp Creek (between Destin & Panama City Beach) you might find it a more worthwhile trip.


Rob_Waldron

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Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2004, 06:30:12 PM »
Shooter

I am not familiar with Calusa Pines. What's the poop?

archie_struthers

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Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2004, 10:49:04 AM »
 8) ;D ;)

Although its' not exactly new, the Majors Golf Course in Palm Bay is a hidden gem. Public golf course, some really neat holes
with character. Good food and reasonably priced!

The Majors is in Palm Bay, just west of Melbourne, and is a Palmer Group design. A local Jersey Shore family, the Frasers', of Atlantic City Country Club fame were the guiding force in the development of the club. It is certainly worth a stop if you enjoy good golf!   Harrison Minchew was Palmers' main man on the job.

John_Conley

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Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2004, 11:34:52 AM »
Archie:

Thanks.  I have heard VERY little about the course since it opened.  And I just live 70 minutes or so away.  I may go check it out some time.

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2004, 12:22:45 AM »
Here's my report from my recent trip to Sarasota:
I played Old Orange at Verandah in Fort Myers. This is a new course designed by Bob Cupp in a real estate development by Bonita Bay Group. Some interesting holes- the par 3 11th at 250 from the tips with water left of the green comes to mind and the par 4 16th at 467 from the tips with a fairway bunker in the middle of the fairway. The 18th, a par 4 dogleg left at 413 from the tips is the best hole on the course in my opinion. Old trees line both sides of the fairway give the hole an almost eastern look. The green is well bunkered and slightly elevated. No housing on this hole. As indicated above, Cupp did nice work around the greens. The new Tifeagle greens were at 9 the day I played. This is pretty good for a new course. The ambiance of the club was low key- no big clubhouse just a "Golf House" with a restaurant to be built in a separate building. It's private but some public play is  allowed.
I also played University Park (Ron Garl) in Sarasota. I played there after it opened in the early 90s and was impressed. GD Places to Play rates it 4.5 stars. Now it's private with some public play allowed. Also, a third 9 has been added and the course has had some work done by Garl in recent years on irrigation and bunkering and Tifeagle greens have been installed. It's a beautiful real estate development but the course now seems bland to me. It's just not interesting to play and now seems "formulaic."
The big surprise was Venetian GC in Venice. This is        another WCI real estate development. The course opened in May 2003. Chip Powell is the architect. How often, if at all, does one find a real estate course with holes that feature MacKenzie bunkers, diagonal carry bunkers a la Ross,a punch bowl green a la Raynor, a Valley of Sin green, a Biarritz hole a la MacDonald and a hole with 2 sets of Spectacle bunkers?
This was a fun course to play. Even Mrs. Acer was impressed. For a virtual tour of this course:
www.powellgolf.com
Steve
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Matt_Ward

Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2004, 01:55:10 PM »
Steve and others who might know:

Does anyone have any comment on the combination of courses that are part of the Bonita Bay Group.

Steve, you mentioned the Cupp course -- I understand there are a few others as well. I will be visiting the area sometime in early March and would like to get some feedback from those who have played them.

Thanks ...

yogi_barry

Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2004, 04:08:51 PM »
Matt,

I just returned last week from a trip to Ft. Myers, Bradenton, Sarasota, etc....  

I saw both the Valencia and Verandah projects - but didn't play.  The design of the Valencia golf course looked interesting, but the environs looked to be more of the same Florida that you love...  Water left here, water right there, and barrel tile roofs as far as the eye can see.  The "design imagination" is delivered in very conventional real estate corridors...

Verandah has a more attractive site - great Oak trees around the club site...  Again, the golf appears to be delivered in convential corridors...

I played Dunes at Seville and Southern Dunes last week...  Southern Dunes is everything bad about development in Florida - despite a good golf course within the VERY UGLY corridors...  Really detracted from the golf experience...



Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2004, 09:38:34 PM »
The Palmer project near the FL/GA border is White Oak Plantation - the former private enclave of Henry Gilman.
 

Steve or anyone,

Anyone know the contact information (phone # etc) and exactly where White Oak Plantation is?
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2004, 11:28:41 AM »
I forgot to mention that The Meadows, a private 54 hole private club in Sarasota, has opened its short course, a par 65 Art Hills design, to the public. I've heard good things about this recently refurbished course as a fun place to play. You can't go wrong for $35 before noon and $25 afterwards. Also, they have spent multi-millions to have Ron Garl refurbish one of their courses.
Steve
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John_Cullum

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Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2004, 11:43:24 AM »
Turboe
White oak is located near Yulee Florida. That is about 15 miles north of Jaxonville airport. I don't think there is a website.
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EAF

Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2004, 04:30:57 PM »
Steve,

What was your impression of the Dunes at Seville? Would you play Southern Dunes or Dunes @ Seville if you could play either?

Thanks,

Eric

yogi_barry

Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2004, 05:39:41 PM »
That's a tough question - I enjoyed both.

Southern Dunes is a better golf course.  In terms of strategy, green contour/design, challenge off the tee, etc...  It is cursed by an AWFUL residential community throughout the golf course.  I found many treks between greens and tees to be a big detriment to the experience, not to mention screened porches as far as the eye can see...  

The Dunes at Seville is a real hidden gem - but is also an opportunity lost in many ways...  It's actually now called the Dunes Golfers Club.  It's a mostly straightforward layout, with roomy corridors and restrained bunkering.  The holes with the "crater" bunkers were particularly good - but it fell short of being inspirational (but it could've been).  It is rustic and remote - a good "getaway" place.

The ideal would be to play a course like Southern Dunes in a setting like the Dunes at Seville.  Given the choice of the two - I'd play Dunes at Seville if only to avoid 4 hours behind a million screened in swimming pools.


Carl Nichols

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Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2015, 02:49:24 PM »
Steve
I just read an article about White Oak today. It is an original 9 hole design and Palmer is adding 18 more. It is being opened up to memberships by invitation at $125000 individual and 150k corporate.


Was looking around for some information on White Oak and came across this thread.  I don't believe the additional 18 holes were built; unclear to me whether they ever had private memberships.  Has anyone played the original nine holes (which appears to be somewhat open to the public)?

JStewart

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Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2015, 03:31:32 PM »
Shadow Wood Preserve (Art Hills) is built on a nice property a couple of miles from where he designed the original Marsh course for Bonita Bay. The course is in wonderful condition and the staff is very professional, the course is a joke.

Chiming in 11 years later here since this thread just got bumped, but oh well .. Shadow Wood has three courses. The two at the main "campus" are Cupp courses (North and South) which are pretty fun and playable for FL condo/home routings . The Preserve by Arthur Hills is the most scenic of the three but a nightmare to play. It's claustrophobic, even by target golf standards.
 

Rees Milikin

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Re: What's new in Florida?
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2015, 03:52:44 PM »
This Keith Rhebb & Riley Johns renovation could be coming soon to Winter Park CC: http://www.wpmobserver.com/news/2015/jun/11/winter-park-country-club-could-get-major-makeover/

John_Cullum

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Re:What's new in Florida?
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2015, 05:37:37 PM »
Steve
I just read an article about White Oak today. It is an original 9 hole design and Palmer is adding 18 more. It is being opened up to memberships by invitation at $125000 individual and 150k corporate.


Was looking around for some information on White Oak and came across this thread.  I don't believe the additional 18 holes were built; unclear to me whether they ever had private memberships.  Has anyone played the original nine holes (which appears to be somewhat open to the public)?


I just looked at a satellite image-only 9 holes
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Tom_Doak

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Re: What's new in Florida?
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2015, 09:38:40 PM »
I believe Pete Dye is working on a big new course at White Oak Plantation for the new owner ... he mentioned it last fall.  Someone contacted me about the job a couple of years ago, but I never did get down to see the property.

John_Conley

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Re: What's new in Florida?
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2015, 11:46:49 PM »
This Keith Rhebb & Riley Johns renovation could be coming soon to Winter Park CC:

Rees, thanks for sharing.  Very glad to see the 4th hole remains intact.  One of the most eventful holes anywhere, even after they removed the road crossing the fairway.  Between the church and cemetery, dogleg left, around the tree, over the bunker, and stop short of the road before the railroad tracks.  Not much missing on that one.

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