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PCancelmo

Are there takeaways from this year's U.S. Open at Pinehurst #2, positive or negative, that will have an influence on next year's event at Chamber's Bay?

For example, and not to limit the general question, what do you think the USGA will emphasize or deemphasize in its setup of Chambers Bay?

Here’s one: 

I think it will be interesting to see if the long grass areas off the fairway will be kept in a condition that allows recovery shots to be played, or if drives finding those areas will be penalized with an obligatory hack back into play. Last month the rough was as thick and gnarly as I’ve seen it and I was told that they’d stopped cutting until a site visit from the USGA following the conclusion at Pinehurst.  Obviously the weather will play a role, but I personally hope that the long grass will be in a condition that reasonable recoveries can be played, as that would offer a good chance to see players navigating the fairway and green contours with running shots.   

What about:

- Drivable Par 4s?  Other than 12, will any par 4 hole be set up as drivable (e.g. 6 or 16)?

- Width?  In the last few years the rough lines on holes 2, 6, 7 and 11 have been brought inwards towards the landing zones (perhaps others too). Will there be further narrowing?

- Short grass as a defense around the greens?  There are plenty of opportunities around CB to “chip it like Kaymer” using the flatstick.  Will this be discouraged? Can it be? Should it be?

P.S. - longtime reader here, but this is my first post (please go easy on a newbie)! I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
 
Cheers,
Peter

Garland Bayley

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Nice mug shot Peter.



Were you caught sneaking on to Seminole?











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"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

RJ_Daley

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Welcome to the posting part of the tree house.   As a long time reader, have you followed many of the numerous threads discussing Chambers over the years?

Much of the previous has centered around the fits and starts with the fescue turf grow in.  I think you started with a fine post, now that the attention will clearly turn at last to the final approach to Chambers.  I'd like to request, if you live near by and will play there again soon, to do a current photo tour and capture some of the areas you have mentioned, since many of us havn't seen the place in a long time and the topics of USGA set-up are fresh.
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

Peter_Herreid

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Played Chambers Bay Saturday morning, but I don't carry my camera there anymore so no pix...

The buzzword for next year's US Open will be "elasticity".  Mike Davis can literally mix greens and yardages and hole locations however he wants to get whatever result or challenge he might want.  There will, however, be rough between the fairways and the waste areas, as the staff has confirmed that the efforts to narrow in some of the fairways over the past few years will not be undone.  How high and how thick that rough will be, and if it will be uniform throughout, is still open for debate.  No further narrowing planned however...

The KP participants from two weeks ago reported some ball-gobbling rough, but Saturday morning it did not seem significant thicker than last winter or last summer, at least to me.

Large swaths of the fairways are under netting, in an effort to spread out turf wear.

As will likely always be the case, some of the same greens as always are out of play.  Saturday #1, #4 and #10 were closed, but #7 and #13 were back open.  Those two greens looked magnificent and very uniform, albeit slower, and the closed greens looked very uniform as well.  On the other hand, there were big chunks of #6 and #12 (to name two) that were basically unplayable.

If the results from the previously closed greens are any indication, other greens could use the same treatment and care prior to next June.

In terms of driveable par-4s, #12 will always be, and I believe #16 was for at least one day of the US Am.  I have to believe that Mike Davis will move that tee up one day in an effort to tempt the gents to pull driver.  All the trouble on that hole is right next to the green, and driver would bring the tracks and the beach into play for a block.  How could one resist that temptation to move the tee up.

Given the firmness of the turf (and that will not be an issue) I think that #2 and #6 could be set up to be driveable on the front, but not sure that's necessary.

I'll predict that when the hole location is on the front left or front right of #7, the tees will be moved up as well, not to make it driveable, but to give them short irons/wedges for approaches as a test of spin and to bring the real threat of balls cascading backwards down that hill into play.

I looked again at the front right of high shelf hole location on #17, in case Mike Davis wants to make that a short hole with a precarious hole location, but there are four giant sprinkler heads embedded well within the green surface on the front of that shelf.  I just can't see them take a risk that a high short iron or wedge will come straight down and carom off one of those sprinkler heads.  I'm predicting hole locations on that high shelf will be middle or back.

Final prediction--the record for the longest par-4 in US Open history will last one year, and be broken by #14 or #18 or both at Chambers Bay.  The aerial shots of tee balls off the back tee on #14 will be stunning.  They should put a timer on those things, like they used to do with Ray Guy or Reggie Roby punts!

Matthew Petersen

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If anyone other than Phil or Tiger shoots 65 in round one, find any excuse possible to make sure he doesn't do it again in round two.

PCancelmo

@ GJ Bailey - Alas, google is a blunt intstrument and you've got the wrong guy.  Surely you must have guessed from the search results that I'm the lawyer in Seattle, not the "Peter Cancelmo" of Internet mug shot glory (no relation, btw).  At the very least a mug shot of yours truly would evidence my good sense to wear a proper shirt with a collar while trespassing at an exclusive club.   :) 

@ RJ Daley - I'm playing at CB in a few short hours and will try to snap some pictures.  In the meantime, they've got a nice graphic guide (which is new I believe) on the Chambers Bay website that identifies the revisons to the course over the past few years.  I have followed the older threads.  They are a great record of the development and revision of the course. 

http://chambersbaygolf.com/us-open/improvements/ 

@ Peter Herreid - Thanks.  You are right about the "elasticity" at CB.  There are so many dials to turn, especially adding the wind as a significant variable.  Totally agree about the hang time clock on #14 tee shot. That is an incredibly exhilirating tee shot, and just the kind of broadcast innovation I'm sure Fox can deliver! :)

Scott Weersing

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"Saturday #1, #4 and #10 were closed, but #7 and #13 were back open.  Those two greens looked magnificent and very uniform, albeit slower, and the closed greens looked very uniform as well.  On the other hand, there were big chunks of #6 and #12 (to name two) that were basically unplayable"

So is there a discount for playing a course with 3 temp greens?

I could imagine the temp greens being the same speed as the regular greens as they are both fescue.

I wonder why they have so much trouble with the greens at Chambers Bay. Bandon gets more play and the greens are in great shape.

I think that Chambers will be easier than Pinehurst because the greens have bowls instead of turtle back humps. I like seeing players feed the ball into the hole with a shot 40 yards left or right of the hole. I would like to see some 420 yards holes which would leave the pros just 50 to 70 yards out. Then they would try to play the right shot in.

I think they will keep the rough at Chambers for wild shots. I would love to see rough at the end of fairways so that pros who hit it too far end up in the junk, kind of like what happened at Pinehurst last week.

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