[david h. carroll]

TEPaul--I think it's the 9th or could be 18th at Hanover CC in PA is a dogleg par 3

[ksekulic]

The 18th at Mountain Manor.  A blind, downhill par 3 where you have to hit over a peak directly in fromt of you.

[ChipOat]

Evan et al:

Re: #13 at Blackwolf Run.  Given the caliber of the whole set-up (meaning they're supposed to know what they're doing), this has to be the single most outrageous, horrendous, inexcusable and unforgiveable example of a Stupid Tree that I've ever encountered.

Tom Paul claims that Tillinghast used to do this sort of thing (to a lesser degree) on purpose.  Talk about making a bad matter worse!!

[Evan Fleisher]

chipoat,

My one and only play of the course and that hole made me really scratch my head as to what they were thinking from the two back sets of tees...there is really no good choice here...either option (as I explained above and as they explain on their website) gives you a poor choice at making par (or maybe it's heroic...I don't know which!   ).

Either way, you stand there scratching your head as to what club to pull and how to make the shot.  Talk about adding insult to injury on an already very difficult course.  Yikes!

[Ginger_Beer]

There were two holes on an absolutely terrible nine-holer that I played a few away high school matches on.  Woodhaven in upstate NY.  One hole is a par five that horseshoes to the left around a lake.  It's so easy to hit the green in two, but therein lies the problem:  There is a flag in the lake that you aren't allowed to go left of.  If you do you "hit it in the water." 3-iron, 8-iron, SW.  
Another hole is an uphill blind par three, listed at 175 yards.  But there are two trees smack in the middle of the line between tee and green.  The first time I played it I hit a five-iron 35 yards over the green!  Didn't know I could hit it 210 uphill with a 5!

[Mike_Cirba]

I think the hills of PA, and the number of courses designed by amateur architects, perhaps make us the world capital of strange golf holes.  I'd be willing to go head to head with anyone from any other state and I bet I "win".  

Speaking of dogleg par threes, there is a course in central PA called White Birch, where there is a hole of about 150 yards.  The green is protected by a line of towering deciduous trees that intersect the direct line of play.  Because a short iron is used from the tee, it is possible to go directly over the trees and fire at the green, but that is an unwise play.  You see, the ground slopes severely from left to right, and the green subsequently steeps from front to back, so hitting and holding the green is impossible, even with the backspin of a Greg Norman.  

No, instead, the correct play is to follow the route away from the green, aiming about 25 yards to the left of it and to the left of the tree line.  If one lands their shot in the proper spot, the ball will careen downhill to the right, and with a little good luck, come to rest on the green.

I'm not sure if it's the product of a brilliant mind, or a deeply troubled one.  

[cary lichtenstein]

I may be alone in my thinking on this, but Lahinch has a par 5 on the front where you hit over a small mountain. Totally blind. I know it is considered a world class course, but anyone else think this hole is strange?

[Forrest Richardson]

Let's say it's quirky.

[Jeff_Brauer]

Quasssi,

I love the fifth....I take it often!

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