[Connor Dougherty]

Treehouse, I'm working on a landscape architecture project on Bandon Dunes as a neighborhood, and I'd love to have your input on it. I'm looking through some of the old threads as well in the hopes of utilizing some of the information in those but I was hoping to have a few questions answered from those of you on the board. Some of them apply to GCA, so I welcome any debate on any of the subjects involved.

So, cutting to the chase:

1. Which parts of the golf courses do you consider sacred? Is that for golf architecture reasons or for personal reasons?

2. What part of the golf courses would you consider landmarks? Why do you consider those landmarks

3. When you go to Bandon Dunes, what part of the resort do you stay in?

4. Do you consider it an essential part of your trip to play Bally Bandon Sheep Ranch?

5. If Bandon were to sell residential homes away from the golf course, would you yourself or someone you know consider purchasing one?

Feel free to PM, Email, or put responses in the thread. Thanks in advance,
Connor

[Ronald Montesano]

the chase:

1. Which parts of the golf courses do you consider sacred? Is that for golf architecture reasons or for personal reasons?

Sacred as in holy, or sacred as in immune to renovation? What you want is more important than an open-ended whatever you want sacred to mean.

2. What part of the golf courses would you consider landmarks? Why do you consider those landmarks?

Before I begin, here are two definitions:

"an object or feature of a landscape or town that is easily seen and recognized from a distance, especially one that enables someone to establish their location."

"an event, discovery, or change marking an important stage or turning point in something."

Unless you're out in the ocean or overhead, you can't see the courses. As far as the second definition goes, each course represents a landmark event in golf, in my opinion, but none more than the first course. Mike Keiser took a risk on behalf of golfers who cannot belong to a private national golf club (Sand Hills, Augusta, et al) and established a site that became a haven for golfers seeking something sacred, something transcendent, in golf.


3. When you go to Bandon Dunes, what part of the resort do you stay in?

I've been once and stayed off-site. I hope to go again and stay on site. Price will factor in.

4. Do you consider it an essential part of your trip to play Bally Bandon Sheep Ranch?

Since it is not open for a third of the year at least, as well as weekends, many people don't have the opportunity to play it. Perhaps that makes it the answer to numbers one and two.

5. If Bandon were to sell residential homes away from the golf course, would you yourself or someone you know consider purchasing one?

I could not, would not, buy a house. I am sure that I know someone who would purchase one, but who she/he is, I don't yet know.

Feel free to PM, Email, or put responses in the thread. Thanks in advance,
Connor

[Connor Dougherty]

Ron,

1. It can be sacred to you for either of those two reasons, whether it is holy or because of it's significance in golf course architecture, it's just important to define that in your response.

2. I think the first definition you give is good for the idea of landmark, but it's not necessarily essential that a landmark be seen form a distance, more that it's widely recognized as a focal point during the course of a round, even if it doesn't necessarily carry any significant meaning.

[Mike Bowen]

I'm going to assume when you say Bandon Dunes you mean the entire facility and not just the one course.

1. Pacific Dunes 4th Green.  7th green on Old Mac.  The moment in the fairway on the 4th Hole at Bandon Dunes when you round the corner and the ocean comes into view.  These are just a few of the places I have to pinch myself to make sure I'm not dreaming.

2. The only one that comes to mind is the tree on hole 3 at Old Mac.  I think for something to be a landmark on a golf course it has to be something that you catch yourself staring at for no real reason.  This tree is visible from many parts of the course.  It is also something you see for the first two holes and kind of builds the anticipation of walking over the ridge and seeing the rest of the course.  The first time I did it was special.

3. Stayed at Chrome Lake both times.  Amazing rooms.

4. I would play the sheep ranch every time.  It's a very unique experience with one of the greatest green sites in the world that you can play to over and over from different angles.

5. I would maybe purchase a house near Bandon in 20-30 years.  A little young to purchase a second home.  My dream home is the house that is at the Sheep Ranch.

[Jim Tang]

1.  At Pacific Dunes, the walk from 3 green to 4 tee is sacred, for me.  It's your first real contact with the cliffs, surf and sea during the round and the walk serves to remind you you are in a special place in the world of golf.  The 4th green at Bandon, as you round the bend, is also sacred, in my book.  Again, for the same reasons as mentioned earlier.  I think the entire 13th hole at PD is sacred.

2.  I don't really consider anything on site as a landmark.

3.  Love the Chrome Lake rooms.

4.  I've been three times and never seen Sheep Ranch, so no, it's not essential, although I would like to see it at some point.

5.  Maybe at some point in the future, I'd consider purchasing a home out there.  Right now, no, because my financial situation will not allow for it.  Also, part of the charm of Bandon is staying on site, not having to drive to any of the courses, everything right there within walking distance.  I like how the resort is self contained.

[Tim Bert]

1. I don't really know how I'd define sacred at Bandon.  I really enjoy playing the first 5 or 6 holes at Pacific Dunes in the fog.  For me, going in the summer when I can maximize the number of holes I play is extremely important since I visit infrequently.   The Preserve finished way up on my list for a late evening 13.  I would play it on future trips more than I expected the first time around.  Walking to the 10th tee at Pacific Dunes and playing 10/11 gives me chills every time.

2. Landmarks for me are easier than defining sacred.  I consider the following things landmarks: Shoe Bunker on 2 at Pacific Dunes.  The giant dunes on 13 at Pacific Dunes.  The lone tree on 3 at Old Macdonald.  The "mountain" on the Alps 16 at Old Macdonald.  The barren cliff top on 16 Bandon Dunes.

3.  Have always stayed in the Chrome Lake Cottages. 

4.  We played on our 2nd visit and I have been back 3 times without playing so I guess not.  I loved the experience.  If it were arranged through the same channels as the courses at the resort I'd probably play it once per visit although then I guess it would probably also be busier and lose its charm.

5.  No

[David_Elvins]

The Bandon Dunes course would be the perfect place for housing for me.  An easy walk to the clubhouse and beach. Land is not too severe to build on.  You could keep some of the existing greens within the housing estate for residents to chip and putt on in the evening. 

Would buy a house there in a second.

[Mike Bowen]

The Bandon Dunes course would be the perfect place for housing for me.  An easy walk to the clubhouse and beach. Land is not too severe to build on.  You could keep some of the existing greens within the housing estate for residents to chip and putt on in the evening. 

Would buy a house there in a second.

I pray you are saying this tongue firmly planted in cheek.

[Gary Sato]

1. Sacred is not a term I would use.  The 13th at Pac Dunes and the 5th at Bandon Dunes are my favorite places on the property.

2. I don't consider any a landmark?  Perhaps the new punchbowl putting green in the future.

3. I've stayed off site in Coos Bay, the lodge and chrome lake.  I prefer the lodge only because of the ease to get to the bar and golf course.

4.  I've played both and do not. I probably will not go back to either since I prefer the par 3 courses over both.

5. I would not and don't know of anyone who has purchased a home or land up there. 

[Jonathan Mallard]

5.) What do I get from the resort in addition to my investment in real estate? A quick check of Zillow tells me that there is plenty of inventory of all flavors - fro $54k to $2.5MM. If proximity to the resort is a selling point, that already exists. And, I can qualify for local rates at a certain point of time. What is distinguishing about this particular offer?

[David_Elvins]

I pray you are saying this tongue firmly planted in cheek.

I am not the religious type. 

To me it is a no-brainer if they ever put housing at Bandon. 

Turn Bandon into a 9 holer and sell the rest for housing.  Doesn't destroy any good golf holes, Great location for housing with views, great access to golf, club houses and beach.

[Scott Weersing]

I would guess this is just a hypothetical project. I can't think of anything worse to ruin Bandon besides, the cliff falling into the ocean, or Keiser selling the course to Trump, than building houses, villas or condos at Bandon resort. If they are going to build houses, then they would add a pool, tennis courts, playground, spa, etc.

If the owner decided to build houses there, then I guess they would have already decided to add cart paths to all the courses too.

I am thinking this is a worst case scenario. The year is 2020, the USGA agrees with Trump to bring the US Open to Bandon in 2025. The US Open will be played on a composite course of Bandon and Pacific Dunes. All the courses now have cart paths. There are condos overlooking the fourth hole at Old Mac as well as lining no. 16 at Old Mac. There are houses overlooking no 1 and no. 2 at Bandon. The only good news is that the Preserve was expanded to a regular 18 hole course, the only walking only course on the property.

Would I go back if this happened? I guess but it seems like a nightmare rather than Dream Golf.

[Carl Rogers]

This thread does make you think about MK's estate planning.

[William_G]

Treehouse, I'm working on a landscape architecture project on Bandon Dunes as a neighborhood, and I'd love to have your input on it. I'm looking through some of the old threads as well in the hopes of utilizing some of the information in those but I was hoping to have a few questions answered from those of you on the board. Some of them apply to GCA, so I welcome any debate on any of the subjects involved.

So, cutting to the chase:

1. Which parts of the golf courses do you consider sacred? Is that for golf architecture reasons or for personal reasons?

the sand base with the fescue turf is sacred

2. What part of the golf courses would you consider landmarks? Why do you consider those landmarks

the bench behind the 14th tee at Trails, where Mike Keiser had his ahah moment[/b]

3. When you go to Bandon Dunes, what part of the resort do you stay in?

I've stayed in all the accomadations and they are all outstanding, but the golf rooms at the Inn are my preference

4. Do you consider it an essential part of your trip to play Bally Bandon Sheep Ranch?

no, but it should be experienced by everyone who is interested

5. If Bandon were to sell residential homes away from the golf course, would you yourself or someone you know consider purchasing one?

away where?[/b]

Feel free to PM, Email, or put responses in the thread. Thanks in advance,
Connor

[Garland Bayley]

Treehouse, I'm working on a landscape architecture project on Bandon Dunes as a neighborhood, and I'd love to have your input on it. I'm looking through some of the old threads as well in the hopes of utilizing some of the information in those but I was hoping to have a few questions answered from those of you on the board. Some of them apply to GCA, so I welcome any debate on any of the subjects involved.

So, cutting to the chase:

1. Which parts of the golf courses do you consider sacred? Is that for golf architecture reasons or for personal reasons?

the sand base with the fescue turf is sacred

2. What part of the golf courses would you consider landmarks? Why do you consider those landmarks

the bench behind the 14th tee at Trails, where Mike Keiser had his ahah moment

3. When you go to Bandon Dunes, what part of the resort do you stay in?

I've stayed in all the accomadations and they are all outstanding, but the golf rooms at the Inn are my preference

4. Do you consider it an essential part of your trip to play Bally Bandon Sheep Ranch?

no, but it should be experienced by everyone who is interested

5. If Bandon were to sell residential homes away from the golf course, would you yourself or someone you know consider purchasing one?

away where?

Feel free to PM, Email, or put responses in the thread. Thanks in advance,
Connor

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[Ronald Montesano]

which a-ha moment did Neo have on the 14th tee at Trails?

[William_G]

which a-ha moment did Neo have on the 14th tee at Trails?

Ron,

At the top of the ridge behind the 14th tee is where, it has been written, he realized that he could see the golf course actually happening in his mind. This bench is demarcated by a fence constructed of fallen branches.

 

[Ronald Montesano]

which golf course, trails?

[Sven Nilsen]

Ronald:

The aha moment had to do with buying the property that would become the resort.

All:

The real "landmarks" are the people who work at the resort, starting with Shoe's greeting upon pulling in.

I hope they never have the desire to build housing anywhere near the courses.  Part of the charm of the place is the setting, the uninterrupted views of nature and the sense of getting away from it all.

Sven

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