[Mark Pearce]

We should probably include Northumberland in our master list.

[Jon Wiggett]

You can spin it any way. Moor sometimes needs man managed as well but given certain variants are heather clad, I prefer to see it as the subset. Either way it comes down to slightly different soil, vegetation and climate says I. Dry vs Wet is probably easier than low vs high

There are the goalpost!!! Oh no, moved again

Ally,

heathlands always need human intervention otherwise they revert back to their natural state.

Mark,

yes, I would agree Northumberland should be on there.

Jon

[Thomas Dai]

Revisions for Abernethy, Carrbridge, Ogden, Baildon, Northumberland & Golspie (only once!) made.

Which other courses should be deleted/moved to another category (ie the 90% of the Scottish ones)? Any other suggested courses for inclusion?

All the best

[Ally Mcintosh]

You can spin it any way. Moor sometimes needs man managed as well but given certain variants are heather clad, I prefer to see it as the subset. Either way it comes down to slightly different soil, vegetation and climate says I. Dry vs Wet is probably easier than low vs high

There are the goalpost!!! Oh no, moved again

Ally,

heathlands always need human intervention otherwise they revert back to their natural state.

Jon

As will many of the moors.... and even the links.... They all follow succession to trees in the end, just some quicker than others... Links are only links because they are accreted anew. Once static, they will become big pine forests in the end...

[Jon Wiggett]

Yes Ally,

Moorland and Dune/Linksland can be natural habitats where as Heathland is ALWAYS manmade is the point I was making. The exception might prove the rule but it does not make it.

[Paul Nash]

Outside of this group, I have never heard anything negative or indeed less than glowing about Hankley other than they sometime close too early!! I think the greens have a lot of interest - one or two are on the flat side but nowhere near as flat as Woodhall, but several have a lot of breaks and not so subtle changes. And the greens are nearly always on the quick side. Still one of my top 5 favourite courses and vies with Sunny New, for me, at the top of the pack among heaths. I played Westhill for the first time in years last week - and that is a superb course and I now rate that as best of the 3 Ws - at least this week!!

[Ally Mcintosh]

Aren't heathland and moorland effectively the same thing?

Jon

What point are you making Jon?... This was your question back at the start of this discussion...

Low lying dry heaths are always manmade - mainly because the succession to forestry is quicker - wet heaths / moors are not necessarily manmade in the same fashion (i.e they will be a lot slower to turn back to forestry, same with duneland)... But they will still need intervention over time... And heather (from where the word heath derives) can be found in these habitats as well...

In other words there is a difference, best designated by soil type, altitude, geographical location and climate... But they all form part of the bigger family of "Heath"... That's if you decide a moor is a subset of a heath...

Why did you even bother with your (mis)leading question above if you had decided what your answer was - No.

[Ally Mcintosh]

Outside of this group, I have never heard anything negative or indeed less than glowing about Hankley other than they sometime close too early!! I think the greens have a lot of interest - one or two are on the flat side but nowhere near as flat as Woodhall, but several have a lot of breaks and not so subtle changes. And the greens are nearly always on the quick side. Still one of my top 5 favourite courses and vies with Sunny New, for me, at the top of the pack among heaths. I played Westhill for the first time in years last week - and that is a superb course and I now rate that as best of the 3 Ws - at least this week!!

I think Westhill is really good as well... Always gets completely overlooked...

[Jon Wiggett]

Ally,

you have to keep statements in the context of their order. I initially suggested that moorland and heathland are in the same category from a golfing point of view hence my initial question as I wanted to know if moorland courses where up for consideration.

In a later post it was suggested that moorland is a sub set of heathland but as moorland is usually naturally forming where as heathland is always manmade and there is far more moorland both in the UK and worldwide than heathland it seems to me that actually heathland is the subset of moorland and not the other way round. That was my point. I would also imagine there are also more moorland course than heathland courses.

I get the impression that many here think that heathland really means courses looking like Sunningdale and the heading has been steadily redefined to exclude any other type. It was an interesting initial question that is becoming narrowly bland in a rapidly decreasing manner

Jon

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