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Mark_Rowlinson

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WINSTONlinks - photo tour
« on: September 07, 2011, 10:34:02 AM »
WINSTONlinks, Gneven OT Vorbeck, Germany.

Opened only a couple of months ago, WINSTONlinks is the work of Canadian architect David Krause who lives in Germany. It is located near Schwerin, near – but not on – the Baltic coast of the former East Germany.

Looking at the surrounding countryside this must have been gently rolling agricultural land on a base of deep sand. Krause has been able to use the variations in elevation to produce a layout with frequent changes of level. More, he has been able to extract enormous quantities of sand to shape the course, in the process creating a number of formidable chasms, not least that known as the Grand Canyon.

I have never seen or played a course with so much going on. Something happens every two or three feet. There is hardly a piece of level ground other than the tees. Fairways roll like a swelling sea. Bunkers, grassy depressions, hummocks, ridges, swales and pits litter the course. Each fairway is bounded by artificial dunes resembling mini-volcanic ridges. Most of the greens are raised above fairway level, often substantially, and there are some wicked borrows. On the day of our visit their surfaces were very slow and putting was a misery. The detail that has been built in to every aspect of the design is extraordinary.

With such intense activity on the ground the frailty of my ever-declining golf was exposed cruelly. The course planner states, ‘WINSTONlinks demands precision playing and high proficiency from athletes.’ Count me out! It means, I am afraid, that I can tell you nothing about playing the course. Just look at the pictures and come to whatever conclusions you can. It was late on an overcast afternoon when we visited so the pictures are dark – sorry – and my camera has made the course look greener than it is. 

From the back tees the course runs to 6459 metres (7066 yards); from the yellow tees the length is 5925 metres (6482 yards); the red tees give a length of 4856 metres (5312 yards). Par is 72. I’ll give hole lengths in metres from the back tees, add 10% to convert to yards (or multiply by 1.094 if you want to be inch perfect).



Walking to the first tee you get a sample of what’s in store.

1.   408 metres par 4.



The fairway begins to curve sharply to the right about 170 metres out from the tee.





The hole then climbs steadily through a host of bunkers and depressions to an angled green with a big right-to-left break.

2.   318 yards par 4.



Probably the simplest drive of the round.






But the pitch needs to be inch-perfect.

3.   461 metres par 5.




A downhill drive to a corner where the fairway swings sharply left. The bunker is 239 metres from the tee, the gorse 268 metres.




The approach is uphill through humps, hollows and bunkers to a green on two distinct levels.

4.   419 metres par 4.



Stroke 1.





Late in the day the fairway bends to the left, the approach shot played between mounds.

5.   174 metres par 3.




Until the grass grows in this resembles a moonscape.



A single pot bunker guards the right side.

6.   536 metres par 5.




There’s a lot happening on this fairway.






The good player’s second shot is governed by a string of pot bunkers set on the diagonal some 75 metres from the green.




The green undulates wildly and the left part of the putting surface is effectively a Biarritz, higher at the front and back, lower in the middle. Golf historian, Christoph Meister, was brave enough to take on the course using hickories. Frodo was an excellent companion during the round.

7.   203 metres par 3.



The prospect from the championship tee.




It’s still a tidy carry from the yellow tee, 176 metres uphill.




There is a lot of trouble if you fall short, severely punishing the weak player. The green is angled sharply across the line from right to left.



Looking back down towards the tee it is readily apparent how much work Krause has put in and that a great deal of that affects the poor player and is irrelevant to the big boys. Note the longitudinal ridge in the foreground. There are many of these throughout the course. Fortunately I never came to grief in one, but the consequences of a ball hitting the edge of the ridge could be horrible.

8.   390 metres par 4.



From the back tee it is not immediately clear what you should do.



It seems that you should hit your tee shot over the mound on the right, beyond which is a strip of fairway giving a view of the green.





The run in to the green is protected by a depression.

9.   372 metres par 4.



A split fairway apparently gives the big hitter an option of driving clear of the bunkers on the left hand route, or taking the longer but less risky right hand route.



These are serious bunkers.




The run in is remarkably uneventful.

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: WINSTONlinks - photo tour
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2011, 10:34:44 AM »

10.   428 metres par 4.



There is a long carry to find this fairway. It is rather less daunting from the ladies’ tee which is 50 metres in front of Christoph.



The approach is made over a seriously undulating fairway.

11.   192 metres par 3.





A par three with an enormous chasm to the left. It is so steep and deep that I am surprised it isn’t fenced off with access forbidden.

12.   472 metres par 5.



There is plenty happening in and around this fairway.



In front is another of those longitudinal ridges, almost as if the sand had been poured out like molten chocolate, solidifying before settling.



Closer to the ridge the flag is just visible behind a sandy pyramid on the right.




This green is well guarded.

13.   119 metres par 3.



The easiest hole on the course – and one of the most attractive.

14.   354 metres par 4.



A straightforward drive, although a right-handed slice could find the Grand Canyon.



This photo doesn’t show the deep swale off to the right of the putting surface.

15.   363 metres par 4.




There are bunkers, humps and bumps awaiting drives of all lengths.




The fairway continues to climb towards the green, unfolding slightly to the left in the latter stages.

16.   425 metres par 4.




Another skirmish with the Grand Canyon.



As happens so often here, the green is raised above a wildly undulating approach fairway.

17.   348 metres par 4.



A blind drive is made over a sandy waste.




Every bunker on this course is deep. Once again, a swale protects the entrance to the green.

18.   477 metres par 5.



A comparatively simple tee shot for those happy to take three shots to reach the green. For those aspiring to an eagle, the fairway runs out at 266 metres.



Halfway there.



At 45 metres this is a long green, with bunkers front right and a swale on the left.

http://www.krausegolfdesign.de/david-krause-en.html?PHPSESSID=2mv7lajh0gntl75fchnk7rm2b5

http://www.winstongolf.de/de/plaetze/winstonlinks/


 

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: WINSTONlinks - photo tour
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2011, 11:04:18 AM »
Brian,

Yes, I would go back, but not to play. I'm not good enough. Instead I would go to watch good players who have the distance and control to play accurately enough to overcome the problems set.

It was quite soft - this part of Germany has had a poor, wet summer. There were a few, minor drainage problems here and there, but not enough water for Frodo to get a drink. The greens were slow because they haven't yet grown in properly. With the depth of sand under the fairways I'm sure this place will speed up a lot, but you are not going to be able to run many approach shots onto the greens with so many obstacles over the final stages of fairways.

I agree with you about the pointed nature of so many mounds, but maybe in a couple of hundred years the wind will have rounded them down to Ballybunion proportions!

Best wishes,

Mark.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: WINSTONlinks - photo tour
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2011, 01:12:28 PM »

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: WINSTONlinks - photo tour
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2011, 01:49:26 PM »
Ally, Thanks for the link to the other Winston thread. I must say I'd rather have this than some of the bland work that has been done in the past. It may look OTT now but it will weather. What sort of reaction did Oakmont or Pine Valley get when they opened? They are still considered very tough, but we worship at the feet of their instigators.

Brian used the word bewildering and I was bewildered occasionally but, armed with a course planner, things were made clearer. It was simply my inability to execute the right shots that caused me such anguish. It was my fault, not Krause's. However, I do think that spending so much time and energy creating ball-swallowing mounds that will only affect the worst players is hardly following MacKenzie's principles. I accept that there is a thrill in a forced carry over the Grand Canyon and on several tee shots there were options even for me. However, he could have given me the first 175 yards of most fairways without too much movement so that I could at least get in play on some of the holes!

I think Tom Doak on the other thread commented on the amount of earth moving/grading. Christoph pointed out that as it is in the former East Germany they can do things that are not allowed to in the former west - and that, it seems, applies to many things, not just golf course construction.

David Cronheim

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Re: WINSTONlinks - photo tour
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2011, 03:24:51 PM »
Pretty neat looking course - reminds me a little bit of Tobacco Road in the bizarre contouring and semi-blind shots that require precise distance control. The land itself looks a bit like the Kettle Moraine upon which Erin Hills was built. Looks like hell for a high handicapper...
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Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

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Re: WINSTONlinks - photo tour
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2011, 04:13:35 PM »
I sure looks wild and a bit bizarre in places, but I like the look of it. I think some of those near vertical slopes will need to be softened. It looks nigh on impossible to play a shot from some spots. 

Have to agree with Ally, bold is better than the boring conventional stuff we see all to often nowadays.

Sean_A

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Re: WINSTONlinks - photo tour
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2011, 03:22:21 AM »
Mark

Thanks for another lovely tour.  The light is quite good in a realistic sort of way.  I like a lot of what I see even if the archie may have gotten carried away here and there.  I don't mind the alpinization at all, but wish more was in the centre of the park. 

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Peter Pallotta

Re: WINSTONlinks - photo tour
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2011, 10:52:36 AM »
I didn't know folks were still building/sculpting these kinds of courses. I understand that the playability is by far the most important thing; but visually/aesthetically it seems to me a series of grand vistas spoiled - nature not enhanced but somehow made smaller.

Peter


Ulrich Mayring

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Re: WINSTONlinks - photo tour
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2011, 06:25:35 PM »
That area of Germany isn't particularly appealing landscape-wise. Mostly flat agricultural land with a few spots of sand. And apparently they've found one, although some of my friends said it'll never play like a links.

My home course is in the same style (less OTT though) and our pointy mounds have grown over and our greens are getting better by the year (course is from 2008 or so). So I wouldn't condemn this style outright, but it sure needs many more years to grow in than conventional designs. In the case of Winston it apparently has all the long holes in one direction and when the wind blows from the west, then it may be unplayable.

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Christoph Meister

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Re: WINSTONlinks - photo tour
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2011, 11:53:33 AM »
Hi Mark,

Thank you for posting all these photos. It's good to see Frodo, my Dutch Shepherd Dog (Nederlands Shapendoes), finally made it to golfclubatlas.com - as so far he had only made it to http://www.golfenmithund.de - Also and maybe he was better coping with the course than both of us, except that he couldn't open the sprinklers to get some water on a rather warm and humid day.

The most important thing what I learned from this visit is that you should only judge a golf course after having played or at least visited it and not from watching photos - even when the photos are as realistic as those Mark posted here. There are so many little details on Winston Links and I mostly agree with what Mark has written here so no need to repeat things.

I must say something though regarding Ulrichs comments - the landscape near Schwerin is very nice, there are little lakes, undulated meadows and hills, forests and of course agricultaral land - very similar to the Holsteiner Schweiz near Kiel which is also some 20km off the Baltic see. On Winston Links there are only two half holes where you play into the prevailing western winds - this is the case on the first part of hole No.1 and the second part of no 12 - All other holes are south-north, north-south and three holes playing eastwards. So concerning the general direction of wind the layout of the 18-holes seems just perfect to me - also there are quite a few hills and forests surrounding and protecting the golf course so that only people coming from central or southern Germany would find the wind at Winston Links bothering - Northern Germans are used to wind and humidity anyway...

Anyone following golfclubatlas.com who happens to be or pass near Winston Links f.e. when travelling should take the opportunity and play that course in order to get their own impression. And as Emil Weber put it on the other thread for Winston Links - whatever your own opinion will be, the course is certainly better than 90% (if not 95% depending on your own taste) of all other courses in Germany.

Frodo & I will certainly be back there!

Cheers

Christoph



 
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Tony Ristola

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Re: WINSTONlinks - photo tour
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2011, 06:25:16 AM »
Played a round with an elderly couple yesterday and they reflected some of Mark's comments. I thought they were exaggerating with their explanation that there wasn't a level spot out there... Mark more or less reiterated it. When in the area I'll be sure to drop in. And do agree, as it gets a little older, the grass get going on the hills, it should soften some in appearance.

I wonder about one thing, and hope it never happens, but it looks like a guy on a mower not paying attention in a couple spots could end up in a sorry state.


John Mayhugh

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Re: WINSTONlinks - photo tour
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2011, 12:57:54 PM »
Thanks for the photo tour, Mark.  The course does look somewhat bizarre in many places, yet I am also intrigued by a lot of it. 


Martin Lehmann

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Re: WINSTONlinks - photo tour
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2016, 04:59:56 PM »
Last week the WINSTONgolf Senior Open, an event of the European Senior Tour, was played on the WINSTONlinks for the first time. Bernhard Langer (finished 3rd) and Ian Woosnam (finished 10th) were in the field, amongst other former European Tour players. The tournament was won by Andrew Oldcorn after a playoff with Paul Broadhurst. The later shot a course record last round 67.
I had the opportunity to play in this tournament as an amateur (Dunhill Links format), partnering Ian Woosnam, Peter Fowler, Pedro Linhart and Barry Lane.
The course is not only extremely beautiful, playing like a genuine links with pure fescue on fairways and greens, but proved to be a fantastic championship lay-out as well. Having played new courses like Trump International Links Aberdeen and Streamsong, I can say that WINSTONlinks is right up there and belongs to the best and most original new golf courses that have been built in recent years. [size=78%]  [/size]

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