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Scott Warren

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2011, 05:04:29 PM »
Hard to split 2, 5, 8 and 13. If I could land in a chopper now and only play one hole, it would be one of those four and I can't decide which one. 5 or 8, probably.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2011, 03:11:21 AM »
Tommy Williamson,

The green has been softened, especially the trough.
But they did capture/recapture some back left locations.

Has anyone played # 2 when the hole was cut on the extreme right of the green, up on that sliver of a plateau.

As to those choosing # 5, would you really want to play that hole over and over and over again ?

Mark Chaplin

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2011, 07:15:36 AM »
When we played in September the pin on 2 was back left on a shelf and the following day extreme back right. My mate James hit a lovely 9 iron second on day two that just jumped off the back edge leaving a virtually impossible chip to a pin 3 or 4 paces on the green, his chip ended up half way down the green and he holed a good six footer for double bogey. Five yards less with his second shot and he'd have had a great uphill birdie chance, classic Pine Valley a double from nowhere.

He then went on to shoot 74 which was good playing for a 3 handicapper on his second round of the course.
Cave Nil Vino

Jim Franklin

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2011, 09:35:02 AM »
I am going with #2 since the last time I played it, I made an eagle.

I would say #13 is a close second, but I have bad memories of shooting a smooth 11 in the member guest a while back and that was our better ball score. It is a shame because we were leading our flight at the time.
Mr Hurricane

Chris Roselle

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2011, 11:14:19 AM »
I am going with #2 since the last time I played it, I made an eagle.

I would say #13 is a close second, but I have bad memories of shooting a smooth 11 in the member guest a while back and that was our better ball score. It is a shame because we were leading our flight at the time.

Wow Jim, a 2 on #2...that's pretty special.  I will always pick #13 as my favorite hole at PV.  Much like Nicklaus awways used to say the second shot on #8 at Pebble was his favorite...the second shot on #13 is my favorite shot in golf so that's the main reason I select #13.  Really looking forward to the GAP Open Championship in 2012 which is headed to Pine Valley GC!!!

Stuart Goldstein

Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2011, 11:31:33 AM »
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Really looking forward to the GAP Open Championship in 2012 which is headed to Pine Valley GC!!!
 

Outsiide the Crump Cup and the occasional charity outing, like the event they held for 9/11, how often does PV play host for golf tournaments?
 
 

Chris Roselle

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2011, 11:47:35 AM »
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Really looking forward to the GAP Open Championship in 2012 which is headed to Pine Valley GC!!!
 

Outsiide the Crump Cup and the occasional charity outing, like the event they held for 9/11, how often does PV play host for golf tournaments?
 
 

Pine Valley GC last hosted the GAP Open in 2002.  It has also played host to the Compher Cup Matches (GAP vs. NJSGA) a few times in the last twenty years

JSlonis

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2011, 11:15:58 PM »
It's really tough to narrow it down to one hole. My favorites are #9, 13 & 16. The drives on all three are fun, the 2nd shots are great and the green designs are world class. If the trees were ever cleared out behind #9 to create a skyline green, that would instantly vault it to the top of the list for me.

Chip Gaskins

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2011, 11:47:23 PM »
Its like trying to pick your favorite kid really.  They are all great.

I suppose I would say #2, even though I have never hit the green in regulation.  #3 is pretty special too.  Hell they are all world class!

Tom Birkert

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2011, 08:15:50 AM »
This is an impossible task. The holes are so varied, I am sure you will eventually have every single hole listed!

However, my favourites are 2, 7 and 18.

2 because the green is so wild and it reminds me of a hole at Sunningdale (as does 11 actually).

7 because I love Hell's Half Acre and the way the green looks very wide but not very deep from the approach, but actually it is deeper than it is wide.

18 because I think it is absolutely stunning visually and is a heroic finishing hole.

Steve Curry

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2011, 05:32:02 PM »
13 for me, I love the movement and the approach shot relies so heavily on the drive!

Merry Christmas,
Steve


ed_getka

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2011, 10:18:08 PM »
#8 just blew me away when I walked down that fairway for the first time this fall. I had no idea how cool that hole was until I started to see the fairway drop down and away to the right. Then you look over to the left to that tiny green that you are supposed to try to hit with less than a full wedge off a downsloping hanging lie. Yikes!! It's scary to LOOK at, I can only imagine what is feels like to try and play the actual shot.
  I would cast my next vote for #15. I just loved how your second and third shot require so much thought. There is no casual second shot to leave a wedge approach like so many other inferior courses allow.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

archie_struthers

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2011, 10:15:37 AM »
 ??? ??? ::) ??? ??? ??? ???

Almost impossible to answer , you immediately think  #2.   Just because of THAT green.   #1 is awesome and you realize .....here we go, what can I shoot today!  

I just think # 8 is one of the best short par fours anywhere , so how do you not pick it ??????

Like Ian Dalzell the simple purity of 11 intrigues me , and when fore caddying on a super hot day there is always a breath of air blowing , why no one knows.


However , I'm going to go with #4.......fabulous strategic tee shot (l if we remove the  the new bunkers on top of the hill.  Lol. ).   When firm and fast the second shot here is the best on the course and the green is incredibly tricky!      

Of course if you butchered one ,two or three tlhen you can grab some  liquid courage for # 5.  after four.    , it tips the balance for me!    Merry Christmas all.  






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JESII

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2011, 12:52:26 PM »
Great post Archie...Merry Christmas.

Sully

Patrick_Mucci

Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2011, 07:12:40 AM »
Archie,

I find the risk/reward at # 6 interesting.

I think an interesting/fun round would be an "extreme" pin round

What's the furthest right you've ever seen the pin on # 16 ?

The furthest left on # 13 ?

The furthest back on # 1 ?

archie_struthers

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2011, 07:55:49 AM »
 ;) 8) ;)

Pine Valley lore would have you believe the 1982 Crump Cup qualifying round was the hardest set up ever.  Pins back right on #1, #3  right front, front middle on #15. Green speeds off the charts....I believe Jay Sigel was low with 77 and the championship flight broke at 85.....yep 85!   Superintendent Dick Bator had seethed for a year after fiuture Walker Cup captain Bob Lewis had shot 64 the previous year and whispers that technology had left PV defenseless it was soft  and no longer relevant had set him off.....lol!  Bator was crazy, and got his revenge, for his beloved golf course.

However at the caddy tournament the following year he may have outdid himself. An argument could be made that it was even tougher , but I don't think the greens were quite as fast, they may have been close . Never have I seen the greens with a deathlike sheen as evident in the qualifier!

Caddie tourney day 1982

 Every tee box was one foot in the rough, Pins all the way back on #1,5',6 and 16.  #2 was classic  tucked all the way right middle up on a shelf that may have only been used this day. You literally had to walk to the left side of the fairway to see the pin...more trees then. Bator had a love hate relationship with caddies, and members for that matter, and he just wanted to embarrass us that day. He vowed none of us golf bums, present company excluded would break 80  that day. .   He was wrong , one did, and it pissed him off big time ! I to this day love the guy, he was a true genius at what he did, certainly top five ever.  

In retrospect the  toughest pin ever would have to be front right on #3 on Crump day. You actually had to hit it three feet past and make the downhill terror that followed the leave. One or two feet past or anything short rolled back off the green.  This was one day the speed and course got away from it's intent , and I know it will bring a warm feeling to Dick just thinking about it!




 
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ChipOat

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2011, 11:13:42 AM »
I know that #15 is the single "best" Par 5 I've ever played, so that has to be my choice.

Candidates for second best include #'s 1,2,7,8 (original green),9 (either green),10,13,18 - they're all so wonderful.

Jim Hoak

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2011, 11:46:01 AM »
Many wonderful holes, but to me the answer is clear--#13 is one the best holes (maybe the single best) in the world.  I can't think of a better par-4 anywhere.

Malcolm Mckinnon

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2011, 04:40:56 AM »
My favorite "hole" is the drain in my shower stall in the new lodging that replaced the old and worn dormitory that rests just to the right of the 5th tee.

The new rooms are all equipped with sunflower shower heads that evoke old Philly and New York club type bathroom stalls.

Very Nice to stand under and think about how you screwed up that last round of golf,

AHH-UGGH


 

Mark Chaplin

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2011, 05:03:45 AM »
Malcolm apparently a member was impressed with the showers and wanted one of the heads for his residence. Unfortunately they come with 2" piping and he had to spend $30k on his system to get the pressure correct. The cabins out near the short course could not have been designed better for four pals on a golf trip.
Cave Nil Vino

Malcolm Mckinnon

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2011, 10:55:43 AM »
Mark,

Yes, the cabin's are le plus de plus with 4 bedrooms each and the central living area. Not to mention the putting green right out back.

The putting green out back?

I told you not to mention the putting green out back!

Dormie house has it's charms as well, especially the cook who prepares breakfast for you right there rendering a trip to the main club house in the AM unnecessary.

Malcolm

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