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David_Elvins

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Re: Tom Doak replaces Martin Hawtree at Royal Melbourne
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2011, 01:05:27 PM »
Tom, Congratulations!

And whilst I am sure it is in your best interests to be diplomatic with regards to the architect that you are replacing, GCA is a place for frank and honest discussion and there should be no problems with describing honestly that you have replaced Hawtree.

(If a few more people were honest about his work, he may not have made it to Australia where his work is best described as ranging from average to very poor.  No other architect gets such a free ride IMO, but that is for another thread). 
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Philippe Binette

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Re: Tom Doak replaces Martin Hawtree at Royal Melbourne
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2011, 09:25:36 PM »
man,

climbing a fence to leave an empty royal melbourne... oouufff
 
it's like...
I have a hard time finding a similar situation
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Shane Gurnett

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Re: Tom Doak replaces Martin Hawtree at Royal Melbourne
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2011, 09:50:37 PM »
Quote from: David_Elvins on March 16, 2011, 01:05:27 PM
Tom, Congratulations!

And whilst I am sure it is in your best interests to be diplomatic with regards to the architect that you are replacing, GCA is a place for frank and honest discussion and there should be no problems with describing honestly that you have replaced Hawtree.

(If a few more people were honest about his work, he may not have made it to Australia where his work is best described as ranging from average to very poor.  No other architect gets such a free ride IMO, but that is for another thread). 

David, YY seem to be happy with his work and he is now the consulting architect at Huntingdale as well. Aside from the ordinary stuff on RME (where Cashmore was involved) has he done much wrong in your eyes?

Shane.
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re: Tom Doak replaces Martin Hawtree at Royal Melbourne
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2011, 12:15:57 AM »
Congrats Tom. You are living in the rare air now for sure.
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David Kelly

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Re: Tom Doak replaces Martin Hawtree at Royal Melbourne
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2011, 01:24:07 AM »
Quote from: Philippe Binette on March 16, 2011, 09:25:36 PM
man,

climbing a fence to leave an empty royal melbourne... oouufff
 
it's like...
I have a hard time finding a similar situation

Tunneling out of Pine Valley?
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Brian Walshe

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Re: Tom Doak replaces Martin Hawtree at Royal Melbourne
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2011, 01:52:09 AM »
Leo,

Extremely well said.

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Neil_Crafter

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Re: Tom Doak replaces Martin Hawtree at Royal Melbourne
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2011, 03:39:00 AM »
Congratulations Tom, good news.

Shana and David
He is also the consulting architect at Kooyonga and he has recently had to go back and redo the 5th fairway that he had recontoured into a series of moguls, so it would seem that not all of his work has been well received.
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Scott Warren

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Re: Tom Doak replaces Martin Hawtree at Royal Melbourne
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2011, 04:45:58 AM »
Tom D:

Quote
How about:  "Tom Doak named as consulting architect to Royal Melbourne"

The journalist in me - never far from the surface - reckons that would only be telling half the story.
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Kevin Pallier

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Re: Tom Doak replaces Martin Hawtree at Royal Melbourne
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2011, 06:48:29 AM »
Tom

Congratulations - will be interested if any other Australian Mackenzie associated courses follow suit and have you look at them as well.
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Stephen Britton

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Re: Tom Doak replaces Martin Hawtree at Royal Melbourne
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2011, 07:18:04 AM »
Quote from: David_Elvins on March 16, 2011, 01:05:27 PM
Tom, Congratulations!

And whilst I am sure it is in your best interests to be diplomatic with regards to the architect that you are replacing, GCA is a place for frank and honest discussion and there should be no problems with describing honestly that you have replaced Hawtree.

(If a few more people were honest about his work, he may not have made it to Australia where his work is best described as ranging from average to very poor.  No other architect gets such a free ride IMO, but that is for another thread). 

Thank goodness someone said it.. I was at the club when the first Hawtree changes were implemented on 15e. I was involved in butchering one of the best short par 4's  in Australia, and from the looks of it, everything after that only got worse  :'(

RIP 4w....
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Jason Topp

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Re: Tom Doak replaces Martin Hawtree at Royal Melbourne
« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2011, 10:36:08 AM »
Quote from: David Kelly on March 17, 2011, 01:24:07 AM
Quote from: Philippe Binette on March 16, 2011, 09:25:36 PM
man,

climbing a fence to leave an empty royal melbourne... oouufff
 
it's like...
I have a hard time finding a similar situation

Tunneling out of Pine Valley?

My wife has no idea how much of a testament that was to our marriage.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Tom Doak replaces Martin Hawtree at Royal Melbourne
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2011, 01:19:32 PM »
Quote from: Jason Topp on March 17, 2011, 10:36:08 AM
My wife has no idea how much of a testament that was to our marriage.

Jason --

It is your marital obligation to make her understand.

It is her uxorial duty to understand.

Understood?

Dan
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Jason Topp

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Re: Tom Doak replaces Martin Hawtree at Royal Melbourne
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2011, 03:03:53 PM »
Quote from: Dan Kelly on March 17, 2011, 01:19:32 PM
Quote from: Jason Topp on March 17, 2011, 10:36:08 AM
My wife has no idea how much of a testament that was to our marriage.

It is her uxorial duty to understand.

Understood?

Dan


I now understand that uxorial means wifely
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David Kelly

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Re: Tom Doak replaces Martin Hawtree at Royal Melbourne
« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2011, 03:10:47 PM »
Quote from: Stephen Britton on March 17, 2011, 07:18:04 AM
Quote from: David_Elvins on March 16, 2011, 01:05:27 PM
Tom, Congratulations!

And whilst I am sure it is in your best interests to be diplomatic with regards to the architect that you are replacing, GCA is a place for frank and honest discussion and there should be no problems with describing honestly that you have replaced Hawtree.

(If a few more people were honest about his work, he may not have made it to Australia where his work is best described as ranging from average to very poor.  No other architect gets such a free ride IMO, but that is for another thread). 

Thank goodness someone said it.. I was at the club when the first Hawtree changes were implemented on 15e. I was involved in butchering one of the best short par 4's  in Australia, and from the looks of it, everything after that only got worse  :'(

RIP 4w....

15E is quite strange and the entire right side of that hole is really like nothing else on either the East or West.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Tom Doak replaces Martin Hawtree at Royal Melbourne
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2011, 03:24:31 PM »
Quote from: Jason Topp on March 17, 2011, 03:03:53 PM
Quote from: Dan Kelly on March 17, 2011, 01:19:32 PM
Quote from: Jason Topp on March 17, 2011, 10:36:08 AM
My wife has no idea how much of a testament that was to our marriage.

It is her uxorial duty to understand.

Understood?

Dan


I now understand that uxorial means wifely

Then neither of our days has been in vain...
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