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John Gosselin

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Re: Is day to day course set up the missing link?
« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2010, 08:55:34 AM »
I think for a member playing his home course a lot, "randomness" is the key.  If you play the blue tees and they are always in the same general location, and the pins are rotated front/center/back/front, etc, you're going to get bored.

At my club we used the front/center/back method (#1 is front, #2 is center, #3 is back, #4 is front, etc ad nauseum).  If you played Thursday and again on Sunday, the pins were way too likely to be in the same place.  Thank heavens we changed that.  The super is also randomly moving tees around.  It's a lot more interesting.

Are you saying your club changes cups every day? I would think that would be highly unusual. Must get a lot of play and have a lot of old cups on the greens.

Every day but Monday.  Pretty consistent 35,000 rounds.  The new course was finished in 2006, so not a lot of old cups.  Are you a super?  Matt Wharton seems to imply above that his cups are changed daily.


35,000 rounds doesn’t mean much not knowing where you are located. How long is your active season?
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Is day to day course set up the missing link?
« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2010, 11:19:01 AM »
I think for a member playing his home course a lot, "randomness" is the key.  If you play the blue tees and they are always in the same general location, and the pins are rotated front/center/back/front, etc, you're going to get bored.

At my club we used the front/center/back method (#1 is front, #2 is center, #3 is back, #4 is front, etc ad nauseum).  If you played Thursday and again on Sunday, the pins were way too likely to be in the same place.  Thank heavens we changed that.  The super is also randomly moving tees around.  It's a lot more interesting.

Are you saying your club changes cups every day? I would think that would be highly unusual. Must get a lot of play and have a lot of old cups on the greens.

Every day but Monday.  Pretty consistent 35,000 rounds.  The new course was finished in 2006, so not a lot of old cups.  Are you a super?  Matt Wharton seems to imply above that his cups are changed daily.


35,000 rounds doesn’t mean much not knowing where you are located. How long is your active season?


I'm in Pensacola, Florida, so we are 12 months but lighter in hottest summer.  We don't overseed our Tifdwarf greens or 419 fairways. 

I think with the 1-2-3 pin system there is pressure to move the cups every day.  It may be the return to random placement was due to a desire not to cut new holes daily.  I haven't been on the green committee for a couple of years so not in touch with our super as I have been in the past.

Gary Slatter

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Re: Is day to day course set up the missing link?
« Reply #52 on: October 30, 2010, 06:01:33 PM »
We set up today with Hurricane Tomas in mind.  Pins on our highest spots, tees in the middle range, wind screens up, plenty towels, and only the course super and his dad played.
Gary, Canouan Resort    A Trump International Course (license was here before me)
Gary Slatter
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Matt Wharton

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Re: Is day to day course set up the missing link?
« Reply #53 on: October 30, 2010, 11:29:27 PM »
We change cups and move tee markers daily at CGC with the exception being no play in the winter months.  Even if we have as few as 2 dozen rounds in the off season I will change holes the next day.  However, from my point of view even if holes were not moved from one day to the next I think a course will most likely play different.  Golf courses are living, breathing things and just like us sometimes they get up on the wrong side of the bed.  You see it everyday on the tour, a guy has it going one day and not the next.  That's golf...and it is one of the reasons we all love it!
Matthew Wharton, CGCS, MG
Idle Hour CC
Lexington, KY

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