[Anthony Gray]

   Par 4......Handicap 13......Easy of the tee.......Front pin is tricky because green slopes right to left/back to front



 



 



 



 

  Anthony

[Matt_Ward]

What's the carry over the bunker on a direct line from the back tee ?

Thanks ...

p.s. what's the total length of the hole from various boxes ?

[Anthony Gray]

What's the carry over the bunker on a direct line from the back tee ?

Thanks ...

p.s. what's the total length of the hole from various boxes ?

  404    front of bunker  281

  395                          273

  365                          243

  337                         217

  301                           180


    The far right corner of the bunker is110 from the green

[Ronald Montesano]

Matt,
Do you need to carry the bunker, or are you wondering how many pros will carry it and bound to the green in the Open?  My guess is that a new tee is in the offing...Anthony, room behind for a more distant tee?

[Anthony Gray]

Matt,
Do you need to carry the bunker, or are you wondering how many pros will carry it and bound to the green in the Open?  My guess is that a new tee is in the offing...Anthony, room behind for a more distant tee?

  Ronald,

  Plenty of room to make it longer......but if longer it may loose its charm

  Anthony

[Sean Leary]

Matt,


Not even you can fly it over that bunker on the left.

When are you going to do the heavy lifting and come see this Evergreen state gem....?

[Richard Choi]

The REALLY fun part (depending on your point of view ) about this hole is the left bunker. It looks quite innocent from the tee. You figure, even if you hit into it, you probably have 100 yards or so and you should be able to hit the green easily from there.

EXCEPT, the when you roll the ball in to the bunker from the front, you don't actually end up in the bunker. There is about 5 yards of junk that leads to the bunker where your lies will be horrific (downhill, buried in tall fescue). Most people who hit it there do well just to get out. Most of the players take 2.

It is a kind of a hole where it kinda lulls you into sleep then bite you when you least expect it.

[Tiger_Bernhardt]

There is no carrying the bunker on the left. One either tries to get much closer in the neck, a poor choice or lay up and still have a 130 to 145 shot to green. It is good hole but rather benign for the course. I think easier than 13 handicap.

[Anthony Gray]

  It is obvious that the first is a difficult par.......so isn't this hole a nice 2nd?

  Anthony

[Matt_Ward]

Sean:

You are so right - I need to play the course soon. The pics and comments from so many people indicate that. Mea culpa for me being slow on the switch.

Likely, my only time slot will be in 2010 -- will make the trek to the new Old Macdonald as well when there. Maybe we can hook up for a game at CB.

By the way -- I see Mike Davis of the USGA using the 2nd as a potential driveable hole akin to what he did with the 2nd at Oakmont, to name just one quick example.

Tiger B:

You say there is no carrying the bunker -- really? If you have a target that is roughly 300 yards and if there's even a hint of helping wind the big boys can do it. Watch what Tiger did at Doral's 16th to name just one example.

Ron:

Interesting contrast between the 1st and 2nd hole. The 2nd begs for the bold play -- hence my inquiry about the carry over th eleft side.


Guys:

For those in the neighborhood be curious to know how things have progressed at Tumwater Valley -- the layout immediately next to the Olympic beer HQ. Played it years ago when Digest rated it among the best public in the USA -- never thought the rating was justified but curious to hear from those who have played it regularly.

[Anthony Gray]

  Matt,

  I would think that the "bold  play" would be avoided because the conservative play would leave a wedge or less. That said I simply love the risk/reward par 4 and early in the round provides drama in a major.



  Anthony

[Sean Leary]

Matt,

They already have a couple of holes set for that. I would doubt they would do that with 2.

Tumwater Valley is the same. Not great.

[Tiger_Bernhardt]

Matt, I guess one like Tiger could, but unless trying to drive green, I do not get it.

[Sean Leary]

Tiger B tried it thinking he was Tiger W when he played with me. Came up 130 yards short.

[Matt_Ward]

Tiger:

Agreed.

You only pull out the driver to make the green -- anything less makes no sense.

My point originally is that many players do not realize the considerable hang time the top players can achieve.

When you have turning points it's possible for those who really bust it to get there -- if the carry of the bunker were say in the 325 yard range then it becomes problematic -- anything at or near 300 can very much interest those looking to get out of the gates fast.

I've never played the hole in question so I'm not saying it's something the USGA may do when the Open is played there.

Sean:

Thanks for the info on Tumwater Valley.

Never really knew what was the big deal about the place to start with.

How far is Tumwater from Chambers Bay ?

[Kyle Henderson]

It doesn't resemble Dornoch's "Foxy" 14th... That being said, the hole is attractive from an aesthetic point, to be sure. I think it would be even more foxy without the two grass tones. Ditch the rough, go with wall-to-wall fairway cut and let stray shots run into the scrub if need be.

[Sean Leary]

Matt,

Probably about a half hour. TV would not make mt top 30 in WA probably. You can do better.

[Tiger_Bernhardt]

Sean good one. Oddly that massive blow ended up in the perfect spot for my second shot. How was the trip to the Kingdom?

[Brent Carlson]

I second the nasty rough in front of the left bunker.  This hole plays more difficult than it looks.  The key is to give yourself an approach and put it in the right area of the green.

PS - Missed the first hole post - but that hole is one of the best.

[Garland Bayley]

Anthony,


You've played Dornoch haven't you? What's the comparison to the foxy there?

[Anthony Gray]

Anthony,


You've played Dornoch haven't you? What's the comparison to the foxy there?

  I don't remembere it. It was before my uneducated GCA days.

  Anthony

[Peter_Herreid]

Don't bother trying to draw any connection to the 14th at Dornoch--I have played with the gentleman who named the holes (or at least that's what HE believes!) and how they were named, and there was no specific attempt to connect the two holes---it was just a hole name from Scotland that the guy liked, and he said he didn't have a more obvious historical or regional name for #2, so he just used it there...

interestingly, there is a hole later in the round that has some vague similarities to Dornoch's Foxy, in my opinion...

[Garland Bayley]

Peter,

Would that be #11 at CB?

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