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Tony Weiler

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Doak Scale
« on: October 28, 2009, 11:17:00 AM »
Can someone post again.  I can't find it through search.  Appreciate it.

Tony

Eric Smith

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Re: Doak Scale
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2009, 11:21:37 AM »
see Jud's post below
« Last Edit: October 28, 2009, 11:25:16 AM by Eric Smith »

Jud_T

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Re: Doak Scale
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2009, 11:22:48 AM »
 
The Doak Scale 
0. A course so contrived and unnatural that it may poison your mind, one I cannot recommend under any circumstances. Reserved for courses that wasted ridiculous sums of money in their construction, and probably shouldn’t have been built in the first place.
1. A very basic golf course, with clear architectural malpractice and/or poor maintenance. Avoid even if you’re desperate for a game.

2. A mediocre golf course with little or no architectural interest, but nothing really horrible. As my friend Dave Richards summed up: “Play it in a scramble, and drink a lot of beer.”

3. About the level of the average golf course in the world. (Since I don’t go out of my way to see average courses, my scale is deliberately skewed to split hairs among the good, the better and the best.)

4. A modestly interesting course, with a couple of distinctive holes among the 18, or at least some scenic interest and decent golf. Also reserved for some very good courses that are much too short and narrow to provide sufficient challenge for accomplished golfers.

5. Well above the average golf course, but the middle of my scale. A good course to choose if you’re in the vicinity and looking for a game, but don’t spend another day away from home to see it, unless your home is in Alaska.

6. A very good course, definitely worth a game if you’re in town, but not necessarily worth a special trip to see. It shouldn’t disappoint you.

7. An excellent course, worth checking out if you get anywhere within 100 miles. You can expect to find soundly designed, interesting holes, good course conditioning and a pretty setting, if not necessarily anything unique to the world of golf.

8. One of the very best courses in its region (although there are more 8s in some places, and none in others), and worth a special trip to see. Could have some drawbacks, but these will clearly be spelled out, and it will make up for them with something really special in addition to the generally excellent layout.

9. An outstanding course—certainly one of the best in the world—with no weaknesses in regard to condition, length or poor holes. You should see this course sometime in your life.

10. Nearly perfect; if you skipped even one hole, you would miss something worth seeing. If you haven’t seen all the courses in this category, you don’t know how good golf architecture can get. Call your travel agent—immediately.
 
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Sean_A

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Re: Doak Scale
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 11:35:08 AM »
"One of the very best courses in its region (although there are more 8s in some places, and none in others), and worth a special trip to see. Could have some drawbacks, but these will clearly be spelled out, and it will make up for them with something really special in addition to the generally excellent layout."

I always wondered what the heck "clearly spelled out" means and if it was any different from not clearly spelled out.  Just seems like waffle to me.

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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Doak Scale
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 12:02:44 PM »
"One of the very best courses in its region (although there are more 8s in some places, and none in others), and worth a special trip to see. Could have some drawbacks, but these will clearly be spelled out, and it will make up for them with something really special in addition to the generally excellent layout."

I always wondered what the heck "clearly spelled out" means and if it was any different from not clearly spelled out.  Just seems like waffle to me.

Ciao
Sean I read that as more "this course could have been a 9 if the 5th green didnt back on to the sewage works". Surely just Toms way of saying great course with a blip.
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Tony Weiler

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Re: Doak Scale
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2009, 01:30:30 PM »
Thanks. 

Tom_Doak

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Re: Doak Scale
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 04:36:52 PM »

I always wondered what the heck "clearly spelled out" means

Ciao

Sean:

All I meant was that if I gave a rating of 8 to a course with some drawbacks, that I would explain what those drawbacks were in the text.

Tony Weiler

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Re: Doak Scale
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2009, 04:46:25 PM »
Tom, I think it's great that you post here and share your thoughts and expertise.  Thanks. 

Mac Plumart

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Re: Doak Scale
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2009, 09:00:46 PM »
Anthony...have you read Tom Doak's Confidential Guide?  If not, I recommend it.  It's expensive, but worth it...in my opinion.

I also think it is wild that this book was originally Mr. Doak's notes on courses he visited that he wanted to share with a few good friends.  And now it is a cult classic and this scale he developed is recognized and used world wide.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

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