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Marty Bonnar

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When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« on: April 10, 2007, 04:25:31 PM »
Hurrah! NOT another Augusta thread...

During Reverse (and Missionary) TOC last week. I couldn't help but notice re-revetment work on Hell and many other auld freends.

Now I can only remember it as a wee boy as far back as the Sixties, and it was MUCH more unkempt then. Here's an even earlier than that image from the Uni library.

http://special.st-andrews.ac.uk/saspecial/image.php?i=6989&r=2&t=4

(Not linked for Copyright thingie)

Shurely this is the real inspiration for C&C, Doak, Dye, Kidd, etc? And as for MacK?

This was minimalism inspired by frugality though, not by style or fashion. The definition of true minimalism? An auld Scots greenkeeper wi' the choice o' anither whisky or a new blade for the mower...

FBD.
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Michael Christensen

Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2007, 04:46:41 PM »
I agree Martin.......I even made par from that bunker....

ohh...it was roped off that day!  ;D
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Bill_McBride

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Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2007, 04:52:46 PM »
There was a thread a couple of years ago on the manicured condition of Hell Bunker even then.  Someone posted a photo of its former gnarly haircut, there was long grass all around the top and it looked really nasty.   Today it looks far too neat, that's probably why Mike was able to salvage par out of it.
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Michael Christensen

Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2007, 06:00:49 PM »
Bill, the reason I made par was because it was roped off and I took a drop behind it.......thought white rope meant no play from particular bunker!
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RSLivingston_III

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Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2007, 06:04:30 PM »
Martin,
the first time I played out of it was 1999 and I swear there was a small bunker behind it that I had to try and not hit into when getting out of Hell. Was there one or is my memory getting dodgy?
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Bill_McBride

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Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2007, 08:51:58 PM »
Ralph, that bunker is "The Kitchen," and if anything it's even nastier than Hell!  :o
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RSLivingston_III

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Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2007, 10:07:17 PM »
Quote from: Bill_McBride on April 11, 2007, 08:51:58 PM
Ralph, that bunker is "The Kitchen," and if anything it's even nastier than Hell!  :o
Thanks, I assume Kitchen is still there? I thought it was gone when I was last there in 2005.
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Bill_McBride

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Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2007, 11:20:27 PM »
Still there.  Two weeks ago I drove into the Beardies (#1), pitched out sideways, played up to the front edge of the Kitchen, then onto the green and made a good 6.  Luckily the ball didn't go INTO the Kitchen, that would have been a disaster!
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Sean Walsh

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Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2007, 03:00:44 AM »
Bill,

I think it's the "kitchen sink".  Aptly describes its size.  Even with a good lie there is hardly room for a swing.
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Bill_McBride

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Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2007, 10:56:16 AM »
MacKenzie's map has it labelled "Kitchen Bunker" but "Kitchen Sink" would indeed be appropriate.

One of my favorite Bernardo Darwin lines - at least I think it's his:

"A bunker so small there was barely enough room for an angry man and his niblick......."  8)
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Brian_Ewen

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Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2007, 02:04:20 PM »
1974

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Mike Nuzzo

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Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2007, 02:18:35 PM »
2006


« Last Edit: April 12, 2007, 02:19:40 PM by Mike Nuzzo »
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Marty Bonnar

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Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2007, 06:53:39 PM »
Kitchen is indeed the one short of Hell on the Missionary routing. There is however an even more sneaky one on the downslope on the away side on the right of the reverse course (James B took my picture beside it) which could be THE single most ridiculous bunker on the course as played in that direction. I can think of no method of extrication which would take less than two strokes. In best scottish parlance, Pure, Mad, Mental....

What these photos over the aeons seem to be telling me is that the Auld Lady has had more facelifts than Joan Rivers and as such can NOT be considered IN ANY WAY to be the same golf course as ten, twenty, thirty, fifty, a hundred or two hundred years ago.

Does it actually provide enough evidence for one to realistically declare that TOC may have evolved too far????????????????????

a concerned FBD.
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Andy Hughes

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Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2007, 09:32:40 AM »
FBD, I was looking through Hutchinson's Golf Courses book last night (the reprint, which is marvelous and everyone on gca should own a copy.  Loads of great pictures) and came across a picture of Hell.  It looked rather less formalized and crisp than the current iteration.  That would have been around 1897 or so.

I was struck by the fearsomeness (word?) of many of the bunkers shown throughout the book actually. Not sure why, but wild and woolly seems much more frightening than crisp, clean and precise though the playability may be about the same.
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Brian_Ewen

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Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2007, 05:13:48 AM »
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Sean Walsh

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Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2007, 05:18:06 AM »
The kitchen sink I was talking about is the little speck above the "S" in fields.  Apologies Bill.  Thanks Brian.
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Brian_Ewen

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Re:When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2007, 09:49:22 AM »
Is it all 'too much money' and 'cosmetics' ? .

Or has Hell Bunker kept pace with more user friendlier clubs ? .
« Last Edit: April 14, 2007, 09:50:11 AM by Brian_Ewen »
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Brian_Ewen

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Re: When Hell was, well, more 'Hellish'...
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2009, 06:17:09 PM »
I am confused , is this Hell , Kitchen , or ?

And what happened to binny bunker ?

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