[Ulrich Mayring]

Tillinghast would never stoop so low as to sell the same article to two different magazines in such a short timespan. There must have been at least some common readership, who would have noticed. H. H. Cornish for one!

Therefore the only way this could have happened is that Joe Bunker saw the divot and told the story to everyone, who would listen. I believe this also proves that Joe Bunker must have had some Chinese ancestry.

Ulrich

[TEPaul]

"but as I stated earlier, there are several times that questions written in to AG were asked of "Hazard" directly and which Tilly answered under his own name and referred to the article that HE WROTE.


Philip:

If it happened entirely that way I would definitely consider that proof as that seems to be a fairly direct admission by Tilly himself. I don't view the article about B.G's death as a direct admission.

By the way, don't bother to go to the trouble of searching though everything for those Hazard articles. It's not all that important.

As for your last five paragraphs in post #73, that kind of thing is just something I'd rather not even begin to discuss on here as I really don't see that it has anything directly to do with whether or not Tillinghast used "Far and Sure" as a pen name.

[TEPaul]

MikeC:

If the writer of those two remarks in your post #74 actually were two different people there is no question at all the Jan 1913 article by "Far and Sure" constitutues about as blatant plagiarism as is possible if it was not attributed to Tillinghast's Dec. 1912 article in another publication.

[Mike_Cirba]

I've electronically cross-referenced every American Golfer for instances where Tillinghast and "Hazard" are included and I'm unable to find any instance where Tilly answered a letter written to Hazard, and identified himself as such. 

Now, I'm ironically left with more doubt that "Hazard" was Tillinghast than I am that "Far and Sure" was, of which I now feel completely certain.   

There is certainly no more "proof" offered at this juncture that "Hazard" was Tillinghast, and much less direct evidence in the way of comparative writings than there is between Tillinghast and "Far and Sure", of which any number have been cited here, ad nauseum..

[TEPaul]

Mike Cirba:

Do you recall the post on one of these "Far and Sure" threads in which Tom MacWood stated without qualification that he had determined the identity of Far and Sure from some ship manifest and that it was not Tillinghast? What do you make of that? 

I believe I asked about a dozen times if he'd produce something for us on here to that effect but he never even acknowledged the query. It wasn't much different than the Willie Campbell and Myopia thing that he said was in some old Boston Globe article. He told me to look for it myself but I don't believe I want to go on some wild goose chase like that if it doesn't exist.

Phil said he has seen two Hazard instances in AG where Tilly identified himself. Phil said it may take him some time to find it but I expect he will unless he's mistaken. From what he said on post #73, either way, I'd expect him to tell us at some point what those articles are or that he was mistaken, so cool your jets, Boy! 

[Mike_Cirba]

Tom,

Perhaps Phil is referring to something I'm unaware of; I only know I couldn't find it although there was a lot of other neat stuff in there.  .

[TEPaul]

MikeC:

I don't know. Here's what he said about that:

"but as I stated earlier, there are several times that questions written in to AG were asked of "Hazard" directly and which Tilly answered under his own name and referred to the article that HE WROTE."

It sounds and reads pretty straight-forward to me---eg Tilly responded under his own name to questions to Hazard articles including telling the questioners he wrote those Hazard articles.
 

[Mike_Cirba]

MikeC:

I don't know. Here's what he said about that:

"but as I stated earlier, there are several times that questions written in to AG were asked of "Hazard" directly and which Tilly answered under his own name and referred to the article that HE WROTE."

It sounds and reads pretty straight-forward to me---eg Tilly responded under his own name to questions to Hazard articles including telling the questioners he wrote those Hazard articles.

Tom,

I do believe that "Hazard" was A.W. Tillinghast, and I know you do too.

However, if we were to apply the same litmus test of "proof" to "Hazard" that Phil is asking for with "Far and Sure", I think it's pretty clear which of the two pen-names has greater accumulated written evidence and it sure ain't Mr. Hazard!   

The coup de grace of course, beyond even the identical words of the "Divot story", is when "Hazard" talks about the review of Merion he wrote the previous month, plainly forgetting that his Merion review was published under the nom de plume, "Far and Sure".   

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