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Tim Martin

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Re: Covic 19: Whats your club doing about golf fees?
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2020, 10:59:47 AM »
As millions enlisted to fight did a single individual whine about not walking down the aisle at graduation? It's tough to compare society now with then. We can't even get people to stay at home with all the modern amenities for two weeks.
As the crisis deepens, we become almost completely aligned.  Or I'm becoming a cantankerous old sod.


Let’s hope that this will be an enduring symbol of the positives that can be born from the crisis. #PearceKavStrong

John Mayhugh

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Re: Covic 19: Whats your club doing about golf fees?
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2020, 11:03:48 AM »
My solution would be to allow someone to prepay NOW for a country or International membership, and be allowed to defer use of it until next year'. Brora for example, is struggling and is offering an International Membership, but who would buy it knowing they can't travel this year.
Such an offer would create some cash flow, and the worse case would be a bit of a bump in play the following season if all were to return to normal, and may be a source of new members should turnover hit clubs this year.
Good thought. I would expand on this idea to prepay for rounds at a future time. I've no idea when I'll get back to Brora, but if would help them for me to pay now for a day ticket to be used in 2021 or 2022, why not? Might have more takers that way as it's not as expensive as a membership.

Sean_A

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Re: Covic 19: Whats your club doing about golf fees?
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2020, 11:20:07 AM »
As millions enlisted to fight did a single individual whine about not walking down the aisle at graduation? It's tough to compare society now with then. We can't even get people to stay at home with all the modern amenities for two weeks.
As the crisis deepens, we become almost completely aligned.  Or I'm becoming a cantankerous old sod.

Becoming?

Ciao
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: Covid 19: Whats your club doing about golf fees?
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2020, 12:37:52 PM »
I pay the same monthly dues throughout the year. They went up about 10% early this year. The club is still open, but no trolley or power-cart rentals. I need a cart to golf, even 9 holes and have a doctor letter.  For me, no special dispensation for carts, no medical leave/reduction, full price.
At my other course, about 90 minutes away, golf is still available, with cart, food and beverage available, with dining minimums relaxed.

BHoover

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Re: Covid 19: Whats your club doing about golf fees?
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2020, 12:52:37 PM »
For my club, which is currently closed to play, I sent an email to ask that instead of crediting my payment for the 2020 golf tournament prize fund, I’d rather contribute to the employee fund. It may not be much, but I will do what I can.

Michael Whitaker

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Re: Covic 19: Whats your club doing about golf fees?
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2020, 01:33:02 PM »
As millions enlisted to fight did a single individual whine about not walking down the aisle at graduation? It's tough to compare society now with then. We can't even get people to stay at home with all the modern amenities for two weeks.
As the crisis deepens, we become almost completely aligned.  Or I'm becoming a cantankerous old sod.
A bit of both I'm afraid.
"Solving the paradox of proportionality is the heart of golf architecture."  - Tom Doak (11/20/05)

Mark Pearce

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Re: Covic 19: Whats your club doing about golf fees?
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2020, 03:24:20 PM »
As millions enlisted to fight did a single individual whine about not walking down the aisle at graduation? It's tough to compare society now with then. We can't even get people to stay at home with all the modern amenities for two weeks.
As the crisis deepens, we become almost completely aligned.  Or I'm becoming a cantankerous old sod.

Becoming?

Ciao
Touche!
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Mark Pearce

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Re: Covic 19: Whats your club doing about golf fees?
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2020, 03:25:27 PM »
As millions enlisted to fight did a single individual whine about not walking down the aisle at graduation? It's tough to compare society now with then. We can't even get people to stay at home with all the modern amenities for two weeks.
As the crisis deepens, we become almost completely aligned.  Or I'm becoming a cantankerous old sod.
A bit of both I'm afraid.
et tu, Brute?
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Peter Flory

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Re: Covid 19: Whats your club doing about golf fees?
« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2020, 03:40:23 PM »
Some restaurants were trying to do a kickstarter type move to sell future meals at a discount now to pull cash flows forward.  "Dining Bonds".  https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/restaurants-sell-dining-bonds-to-help-business-during-coronavirus-pandemic

I wonder if this might work better for public golf courses.  If they are liquidity strapped, it would be a good way to pay for the upkeep in the short run. 

Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Covid 19: Whats your club doing about golf fees?
« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2020, 04:33:31 PM »
Some restaurants were trying to do a kickstarter type move to sell future meals at a discount now to pull cash flows forward.  "Dining Bonds".  https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/restaurants-sell-dining-bonds-to-help-business-during-coronavirus-pandemic

I wonder if this might work better for public golf courses.  If they are liquidity strapped, it would be a good way to pay for the upkeep in the short run.
In the UK that sort of thing certainly wont work. Most UK clubs are now made up of people that dont like paying £1 for a cup of coffee. Some people are lovely and very understanding, some love being part of a club, but most think of themselves and the price they pay, they are season ticket holders really not members like it used to be. Golf has changed a lot in my 48 years of playing.
I think most UK clubs will charge a % for this years golf, hardly any club in the UK will get away with the hard cheese line.
A combination of whats good for golf and good for turf.
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Covid 19: Whats your club doing about golf fees?
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2020, 04:14:46 AM »
If/when golf gets back on track I see some interesting 'discussions' (ie battles) ahead in the UK between the group that Adrian nicely describes as 'season ticket holders' and traditional 12-months p/a, longer term member folks.
Such discussions will probably be different at proprietary courses as against traditional private members clubs but there could be some overlap. One thing about private members clubs though is that the committees etc who make the rules and the members who get to vote will likely be from the 12-months p/a, long term member grouping.
Interesting times ahead. Regrettably there will be casualties, but then again folks herein and elsewhere have been saying for years there are too many golf courses in the UK.
As to who survives that will be interesting too. Big names and the usual suspects will surely carry on although visitor income will probably decline. All/most have survived world wars and economic depressions etc in the past and are still going. I see the smaller rustic courses probably being okay too as their cost base both course and clubhouse wise and player expectations are lower. Parkland courses which have over the years proceeded along the big clubhouse and manicured course conditions road would be where I suggest things might get more exciting. Will we see more sheep on fairways and big, flash clubhouses sold off?
atb

Tim Martin

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Re: Covid 19: Whats your club doing about golf fees?
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2020, 08:30:57 AM »
If/when golf gets back on track I see some interesting 'discussions' (ie battles) ahead in the UK between the group that Adrian nicely describes as 'season ticket holders' and traditional 12-months p/a, longer term member folks.
Such discussions will probably be different at proprietary courses as against traditional private members clubs but there could be some overlap. One thing about private members clubs though is that the committees etc who make the rules and the members who get to vote will likely be from the 12-months p/a, long term member grouping.
Interesting times ahead. Regrettably there will be casualties, but then again folks herein and elsewhere have been saying for years there are too many golf courses in the UK.
As to who survives that will be interesting too. Big names and the usual suspects will surely carry on although visitor income will probably decline. All/most have survived world wars and economic depressions etc in the past and are still going. I see the smaller rustic courses probably being okay too as their cost base both course and clubhouse wise and player expectations are lower. Parkland courses which have over the years proceeded along the big clubhouse and manicured course conditions road would be where I suggest things might get more exciting. Will we see more sheep on fairways and big, flash clubhouses sold off?
atb


The idea of more sheep have the “guys that get it” delirious with joy about potential new opportunities for their instagram pages. Dare to dream!!



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