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Ian Andrew

Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« on: January 01, 2008, 11:32:33 PM »
For Tom and Jim:



Through the photos I had seen the course always came across as wild and rustic and it is around the edges.  When I finally got a chance to play the course I was taken by how serene the property and course turned out to be.  While I was looking for a quirky course all full of blind shots it turned out to be the most gentle of all the links courses I have played. The opening stretch has a series of holes that finish at great natural green sites that alternate between the top of knolls and natural hollows. Then the course turns for a journey down the coast and through dunes. The holes are generally all run up natural valleys between the dunes. The tees are also generally set down low so that you start many of the holes on the same perspective of the landing area which makes for a very intimate feel since the holes become framed from tee to green by the dunes despite the fact many are not that tall. The greens are almost all also set down into natural hollows with the 6th and 7th greens absolute standouts. The course is easy to comprehend from the outset due to the way the holes are routed and even the series of greens and fairways that sit hidden in hollows are fairly easy to understand despite being blind since the high dunes always give you the edge of where to be. The only thing that a first time player really misses out on is the chance to use the feeding slopes around the greens to a player’s advantage.



After the run through the dunes the course turns at the 13th and the holes become a little more open with less dune land available. The bunkering and burns take on a larger roll as you try work your way back into the wind all the way home. he bunkering was excellent and almost all clearly visible from each shot. The bunkers were generally very small, deep and tough to get out of. What was really interesting was that some of the contour around them was kept tight and ran directly into the bunkers. They prove that bunkers do not need size to have an impact and that short grass still can have much more far reaching effects if used well.



The burns were fascinating in particular the one at #15 since the far edge was intentionally picked up to make the locations very clear, but it also created a beautiful deep shadow lines and then ended with a run away slope on the back that could be used to kick the ball onto the green. At Western Gailles there were four crossings and most of them were used to front a green similar to the famous 16th at Turnberry. They make for some delicate approaches with front pins and a fascinating contrast to the dunes holes.



The greens had some interesting contour, but for the most part the contours were on the gentle side. What I enjoyed the most about Western Gailles was the way the course offered so many fun options around the greens. There was a great deal of short grass, but also the rough was kept very light which invited the player to use the ground. The fact that as many chips were downhill as up added to the fun of the day. The other cool thing they did was using an even shorter cut than the fairway immediately around the green which allowed for putting from almost all sides.



The last thing that struck me about the course was the color. The greens and fairways are similar to what we enjoy by where it gets so much better is in the rough. In the rough you have the fescue with its light brown wispy tops, interspersed with the deep brown of heather which when in bloom was a dramatic purple, the purple leaved wild rose, the deep green of the gorse bush, and the taller and nastier looking sea light beige grass and these contrasts added up to a setting that is just shy of Royal County Down in places.



The course was a lot of fun to play, had some wonderful architectural ideas and a couple of truly great holes in the 5th, 6th and 7th and that is why I would return to Western Gailes on my next trip over Troon and Turnberry.

R_Paulis

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Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2008, 01:21:27 AM »
Ian - your imagery and narrative revived fond memories of my visit to WG. Not a soul on the course when I played as a single one overcast day, very similar to the way your photos portray it.

The sounds of the round seem to be etched in my memory. I remember it being serene but I can hear the steady wind across the grass in your photos. A bit of the ocean noise crept in over the dunes and became stronger as you climbed a few of the elevated sections. Was there not a rail line bordering one side of the course? I seem to remember the sounds of passenger rail speeding by every so often. Or am I confusing my Scottish links?

AndrewB

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Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2008, 03:21:15 AM »
Indeed there is a railroad line bordering the edge of the course.

Thanks for the writeup and images, Ian.  I fall into the group of people that left Ayrshire very high on Western Gailes and a bit so-so on Royal Troon (yes I do realize that given this it's odd that I use Troon's club motto as my quote to the left -- I just like what it means and how that relates to the game).  I think expectations probably had a lot to do with that, as Tom Doak described in the Troon thread.  It's been long enough that I can't remember enough to state otherwise.
"I think I have landed on something pretty fine."

Ian Andrew

Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2008, 12:31:29 AM »
I'm giving this thread one last chance - just in case.

Tom_Doak

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Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2008, 07:21:27 AM »
Ian:

I've been waiting for Urbina to come in here and hang himself with a poorly chosen word before I comment ...

Jim Franklin

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Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2008, 08:21:32 AM »
I really liked Western Gailes as well, but cannot remember every hole. One thing I remember though and this may be why I will remember the course so fondly is that I did a whirlwind Scottich golf tour with a group of Hedge Fund managers and Private Equity guys that were hugely successful and had egos to match. Anyway, we were on a par 5 on the back (I am thinking 15 or 16) and one of the guys I am playing with fancied himself as a big hitter. So he bombs his drive and says to me "get that one Franklin" and smirks while he walks off the tee. So I tee mine up and nail one on the screws, but I don't say anything. We walk down the fairway and come up to his ball, but have not seen mine yet. It was almost 100 yards past him so when we got there I asked him if he knew about the Wal-Mart they were building in Scotland. He said no and I told him it was going between my ball and his! Hook line and sinker, his friends all call him Wal-Mart now and it burns him to no end. The timing could not have been better. As they say, Priceless.
Mr Hurricane

Paul Carey

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Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2008, 09:22:16 AM »
Ian,

WG is one of my favorites in Scotland and your descriptions were so eloquent it is hard to reply.  The course is fun, challenging and interesting and the club itself and the clubhouse were what I expected at a Scottish links.

Wonderful description of the course.

Thanks.



Philippe Binette

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Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2008, 09:30:37 AM »
Definitely a great course...

I had the craziest weather when I played that course so I have a hard time remembering everything from my round there...

in order: rain - sun - hail - dead calm - 40mph wind

there are some great holes, the par 5 on the front (6 or 7) is something..
good set of greens

fun to play

wsmorrison

Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2008, 09:35:12 AM »
For those that didn't take a caddy their first time around, did anyone have difficulty figuring out the layout?  I was stumped a couple of times and ended up on the wrong tee.  I wasn't loaded or anything, I was filled with uncertainty even if I knew I was on the right tee.  I loved it!  It gave me a real feel for what golf can be like when the architect and/or maintenance practices do not clearly direct your play.

JC Urbina

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Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2008, 11:43:55 AM »
My love for Western Gailes.

I will keep it simple.
My last Visit 1987

Perfect setting for golf.

Uncertainty, I like this a few times in a round of golf.

Teeing Grounds perfect,  nothing artificial here.

No feel for intended line of play.  Opposite of American golf design.

Subtle Greens with interesting Green surrounds,  Nothing over the top.
A few of the greens were in bowls, lower then the fairway where your second or third shots were struck from.

First time I saw a burn used and very well done if I might add.

First time I saw bunkers effectively larger then the sand that was at the bottom of the pit.  Second time was Murfield.

No grassing lines, although it took me 12 years to figure out how important that was to golf.

Routing rotation different then Royal Troon.  I tend to enjoy different loops with an in an out routing.  

Easy Walk

Only three guys on the maintance crew.  I talked to them and asked where the other guys were.  The response was " We don't need any more guys, what would they do"  The Old man was driving the big tractor and the two kids were on the back of the trailer.
 
Some day I will go back and maybe it won't be as impressive as the first visit.  But I challenge everyone who saw Pine Valley or Cypress Point for the first time.  Didn't those course make an impression on most people the very first time.

Jason Topp

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Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2008, 12:09:58 PM »
I played there as a part of an impromptu round on the day we flew into Glasgow.

The place was magical in the late evening summer sunlight.  The clubhouse was the perfect place to have the first pint in Scotland.


Ian Andrew

Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2008, 12:13:51 PM »
Tom,

I'm curious to know what left you flat about the course, particularly after a second visit.


For anyone who has not played there I produced a profile of the 6th hole on my blog that includes lots of photos. I thought it was one of the more enjoyable holes I had ever played. The shots of the green talk to what Jim mentioned about the green surrounds.

See what you think:

http://thecaddyshack.blogspot.com/2007/01/hole-series-reachable-par-five-6-at.html

(I would have posted it here but the photos are not transferable for some odd reason - if anyone knows how - please help me out)
« Last Edit: January 03, 2008, 12:16:30 PM by Ian Andrew »

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2008, 12:46:44 PM »
Western Gailes is #3 in a great golf rich west coast of Scotland. However it is a wondefrul course which I would enjoy being a member of and playing every day more than the other two more illustrious neighbors. I do not include Prestwick due to it being in a club of its own. Western Gailes has all the wildness, shotmaking, fun, quirk and challenges one could ever want. I do wish it were further from city and airport noice to let feel a little more removed from the world around it. turnberry gets that when the course is not too full.It used to have one of the great locker rooms in golf as well. It is prettied up now. I cannot wait to go back, which is also more than I can say for Troon and Turnberry. Thanks for keeping this great course and golfing experienceon the radar screen.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2008, 12:48:54 PM by Tiger_Bernhardt »

Marty Bonnar

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Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2008, 02:50:34 PM »
Ian,
different http code... ;D

There you go...












Cheers,
MGBonnar, true renaissance man ;)
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Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Paul_Turner

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Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2008, 02:50:45 PM »
I like Western Gailes but I think there are lots of "second tier" links that are superior.  My take:

1st  Super hole, loved the raised green.

2nd excellent but marred a bit from the flyover background.

3rd and 4th.  I don't recall a great deal other than you have to stay out of the gorse.

5th Good hole but I don't remember much in detail

6th Great hole with the green tucked away.

7th Exciting hole from raised tee next to sea.  One of the best holes.

8th Blind tee shot and I remember a cool green across the burn, but the hole is almost identical to the 10th.

9th The quirkiest and perhaps best hole.  Really wild.

10th see 8th.

11th  Cool drive, definitely worth shaping a shot.  But very similar to the 12th.
12th ditto

13th not a great deal going on other than stay out of the burn.

14th-16th.  I don't recall in much detail.  The terrain is less interesting but still pretty good.  I think bunkers dominate the strategy.  15th had a nice green?

17 and 18.  The course picks up again.  17th is cool quirk with blind shot over dune.  18th has another fine green.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2008, 02:53:45 PM by Paul_Turner »
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Tom_Doak

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Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2008, 05:33:51 PM »
Ian:

Thanks for your comments on the course.  I didn't go all the way around it this second time so I have probably short-changed it a bit ... I was with two of my associates, plus a certain Mr. Bahto who stayed in the car!  (He was still trying to absorb the day's lesson from Prestwick.)

For me there are two clear standout holes, the sixth and seventh, and even going back to see them again they have a certain "je ne sais quoi" to them ... interesting use of contour which I would find impossible to go out and imitate in Bandon next week.

Other than those two holes, it's all of a piece to me.  There does seem to be a lot more dune wilderness at WG than some of the other courses I've seen, so even though it's on a relatively narrow site, the long grasses effectively hide some of the tee banks and other artificial construction better than the more famous links where they mow those banks because of the traffic volume.

Jim's comment about the routing rotation struck me as odd.  It is interesting that the clubhouse is not right at the end of the course (like Troon or Prestwick) so that the first two holes play north and then it goes back and forth once and then heads south all the way to the far end, and the last 4-5 holes play north again.  (This is possible because it doesn't start and end at the edge of town ... everyone gets there by car.)  But there are no "inner loops" really, in fact I remember clearly that the fairways and greens all seemed to be in a line toward the middle of the site, and the next tee was always set to the outside of the previous green -- so the tee shots were angled to the fairway, but nearly always at a similar angle.

I guess it depends on when you saw the place.  For Jim it was the second or third course he'd seen in the UK, and he always wants to be different so it's natural he would fall for it over Prestwick and Troon.  In contrast, I'd played so many links courses by the time I got to Western Gailes that it didn't strike me the same way ... it wasn't nearly as quirky as people tend to describe it, although I do agree with both of you that it does seem DIFFERENT in how it's built and maybe that is worth more study on my part.

mark chalfant

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Re:Let's Discuss Western Gailes...shall we
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2008, 09:40:06 PM »
Ian

Thanks so much for this informative post and lovely pictures from Western Gailes. Many of  my friends  have spoken highly of it. the responses of Tom,Wayne ,Paul, and especially
Jim U.  were fun to  read.

Ian   .... I hope   2008  brings you  some   interesting projects!

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