Is this a golf architecture discussion site or a womens state senior golf event?

[Bill Shamleffer]

I enjoyed watching this U.S. Open.  I did not care who was smoking or how anyone was dressed.  I enjoyed the TV, radio, and internet commentary.  I am fine with how the USGA sets up golf courses.  The commercials are fine.  My daughter and I like seeing the kid get a hole-in-one every summer, and the optimists wait out the rain.  Sure the Lexus commercials are weird, but there is no free lunch so someone has to foot the bill for the TV coverage.  Yes, U.S. Opens are now very, very crowded.  (That is why I go to amateur championships and lesser professional events.)

Also, I am able to read newspaper articles without expecting perfection.  I read a variety of source material from books to newspapers to magazines, and listen to others, through all of this am able to gain some knowledge and insight.  Biasness of any slant or type is very often a long way from distorted propaganda.

So quit whining and enjoy yourself.  Or if you prefer the alternative, as I once told a member at a club where I caddied - after hearing another complaint about the food in the clubhouse - "If you all did not have something to complain about, you would not have anything to say to each other."

Finally, thank you for the others who had many interesting things to say about how the course played, some of the options different set-ups could offer, and some additional information explaining why certain actions where chosen over others.

[TEPaul]

Bill:

Thanks for this thread, and thanks to Ran too for his thread on Oakmont's Open setup.

At the very least both threads expose our overarching ultra negative Monday Morning Quarterbacks!  

[John Kavanaugh]

If you want to discuss things that golf fans love you need to go to GeoffShackelford.com.  Geoff's site is clearly the best and actually the only site a fan needs to visit.  I wish the golf fans of this site would post more there and leave the architecture to Golfclubatlas where it belongs.

[John Kavanaugh]

Note:  Does anyone know who was that woman that VJ kissed?  I saw the question posed on GS but not answered.

[Rick Shefchik]

A-Rod's girlfriend?

[John Kavanaugh]

A-Rod's girlfriend?

No, this was a very professional (in the good way) looking woman with brunette hair.  He gave her the kiss on each cheek (the proper ones) routine.

[Joe Hancock]

So quit whining and enjoy yourself.  

Likewise?......

Joe

[Mike Sweeney]

So quit whining and enjoy yourself.  Or if you prefer the alternative, as I once told a member at a club where I caddied - after hearing another complaint about the food in the clubhouse -

Bill,

It actually seemed pretty calm around here this year, and if anything, it is only a warm-up for next year's US Open as the Rees Jones restored Torrey Pines!!

[John Kavanaugh]

Will Torrey Pines be the first US Open course not to be on the Golfweek or Digest top 100 lists?  Personally I think the championship architecture is as good as Oakmonts.

The kept acting like a 500 yd par four is a big deal at Oakmont...The 12th at Torrey is tougher than any of em.

note:  Ballyneal has a 500 yd par four which proves they do not all play the same.

[Bill Shamleffer]

So quit whining and enjoy yourself.  

Likewise?......

Joe

Touché.  

[David Stamm]

Will Torrey Pines be the first US Open course not to be on the Golfweek or Digest top 100 lists?  Personally I think the championship architecture is as good as Oakmonts.

 

JK, I've never played Oakmont, but have played Torrey as much if not more than anybody on this site. You must be joking! Torrey virtually has no arch. compared to Oakmont. It's blast away as far as you can on every non par 3 hole with the Open tee's. There will be virtually no strategy decisions the players will have to make from the tee's. It will be long, long , long and that's about it. No if you want to compare what the ending score will be, that's another issue. But arch.? Hardly.

[John Kavanaugh]

Will Torrey Pines be the first US Open course not to be on the Golfweek or Digest top 100 lists?  Personally I think the championship architecture is as good as Oakmonts.

 

JK, I've never played Oakmont, but have played Torrey as much if not more than anybody on this site. You must be joking! Torrey virtually has no arch. compared to Oakmont. It's blast away as far as you can on every non par 3 hole with the Open tee's. There will be virtually no strategy decisions the players will have to make from the tee's. It will be long, long , long and that's about it. No if you want to compare what the ending score will be, that's another issue. But arch.? Hardly.

David,

I said championship architecture.  Pleas tell me how the chamionshp strategy at Oakmont as different than will be at Torrey.  I think the kik rough may even be more dangerous...and I am sure the rattle snakes are.  I thought my comments motivated your current thread in that we both know that Torrey is Oakmont is Shinneycock is Bethpage..etc, etc.

[David Stamm]

Will Torrey Pines be the first US Open course not to be on the Golfweek or Digest top 100 lists?  Personally I think the championship architecture is as good as Oakmonts.

 

JK, I've never played Oakmont, but have played Torrey as much if not more than anybody on this site. You must be joking! Torrey virtually has no arch. compared to Oakmont. It's blast away as far as you can on every non par 3 hole with the Open tee's. There will be virtually no strategy decisions the players will have to make from the tee's. It will be long, long , long and that's about it. No if you want to compare what the ending score will be, that's another issue. But arch.? Hardly.

David,

I said championship architecture.  Pleas tell me how the chamionshp strategy at Oakmont as different than will be at Torrey.  I think the kik rough may even be more dangerous...and I am sure the rattle snakes are.  I thought my comments motivated your current thread in that we both know that Torrey is Oakmont is Shinneycock is Bethpage..etc, etc.

There are not, for example, any "go for the green" type par 4's at Torrey like at Oakmont, as you know John. The bunkering on Oakmont is much more imaginative and severe. As for my current thread, I merely am talking about the setups of the course and how they allow the arch of a course shine through (or not). Oakmont seems to rise above that despite the setup in some respects, but as I said on my thread, narrow fw's are narrow fw's, and without THOSE, Torrey doesn't even really offer much in terms of strategy. Sure it's long, but not much else. I'm sure what the difference is between championship arch and non. Can you explain?


BTW, in my dozens and dozens of times playing TP (both courses), I've never seen the rattlesnakes the signs warn players about. I think they reside in the canyons around the course. You know, the canyons that never were utilized when the course was originally laid out.