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Matt_Cohn

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but if they DID build a golf course for the U.S. Open...
« on: June 12, 2007, 01:35:55 PM »
like Peter Kostis suggested, what would it be like? What should it be like?

Jason Topp

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Re:but if they DID build a golf course for the U.S. Open...
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2007, 02:17:15 PM »
I'm not sure you can improve on Oakmont or Winged Foot for a course that reflects traditional US Open type challenge.

I would love to see an 8000 yard Royal Melbourne as a US Open Site.  I think the result would be entertaining, challenging and sometimes agressive golf.


Kenny Lee Puckett

Re:but if they DID build a golf course for the U.S. Open...
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2007, 02:41:01 PM »
The Course that the USGA would build...

*7,400 yard par 70 with just two par 3's/no par 5's.
*O.B. left and right of 22 yard wide fairways.
*Greens at 14 on stimp with severe back to front upside down salad bowl greens.
*5 inch rough surrounding the greens at the lips of the salad bowls.
*Less than 40 minutes from major NY/PHILA metro areas with fine dining establishments such as the Russian Tea Room (Valet parking for Lexus Owners Only/Please remember to use the AMEX).
*Champions dinners with Lee Janzen, Scott Simpson, David Graham, Andy North, Steve Jones & Larry Nelson; MC'ed by Mr. 63.

The typical USGA Open Set-Up produces (Favors?) one type of player.

Let the beat downs begin!!!

JWK


Jeff_Brauer

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Re:but if they DID build a golf course for the U.S. Open...
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2007, 03:16:22 PM »
I agree with James to a point......if they built it.

About 7,400 yard par 70 with 4 par 3's/2 par 5's.

Small mounds behind tees for spectators - that could be leveled to lengthen the course for future opens, if need be

No O.B.  Little water hazards, but made of ditches, not ponds
 
22-25 yard wide fairways - with fw bunkers right next to the edge rather than 10 yards off, as in where they narrow other courses fw's.

Greens designed for 14 on stimp

Hole patterned generally, but not exactly after some of the prominent holes in the USGA Open rotation.

Holes set in valleys for spectators, but no TPC style spectators mounds

In fact, they would follow a lot of what TPC has learned in terms of spectators, infrastructure, etc, but would strive to build a course that looked more traditional than a TPC. Fazio or Rees would probably build it.

Oh yeah, I am pretty sure they would be built with USGA recommendation greens!
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Mike Hendren

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Re:but if they DID build a golf course for the U.S. Open...
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2007, 03:28:18 PM »
It would look exactly like Shinnecock Hills.  Exactly.

Mike
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Garland Bayley

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Re:but if they DID build a golf course for the U.S. Open...
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2007, 07:26:32 PM »
Is the they the USGA?

They claim they want a course to identify the best golfer. Therefore, they should build a course that has a larger range of tests than "can you hit a narrow fairway". My suggestion would be to let Pete Dye build a diabolical front nine to test accuracy and shot making. Then let C&C or Tom D build the back nine to test strategy, positioning, and recovery. Let the back nine be eminently more attackable than the front nine. Let excitement reign on the back nine on Sunday!
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Ted Kramer

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Re:but if they DID build a golf course for the U.S. Open...
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2007, 11:16:08 AM »
It would look exactly like Shinnecock Hills.  Exactly.

Mike

Perfect answer!

-Ted

Garland Bayley

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Re:but if they DID build a golf course for the U.S. Open...
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2007, 11:23:24 AM »
Ok Mike and Ted,

If you would accept my assumption that best golfer means that golfer has the highest ability averaged over all aspects of the game, does Shinnecock adequately test all aspects of the game? Feel free to rule out the typical USGA setup of narrow fairways and deep rough.

"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

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