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George Pazin

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GCAer Lido Contest Entry
« on: May 15, 2007, 12:50:50 PM »
Sorry, Jeff, but I think this deserves a new thread, not to languish on my old thread (I will take it down it really want, just send me a private message).

Courtesy of Jeff Doerr:

Ok, so I took George's advice and had some fun. It amused my kids and was a pretty good exercise to think through the angles and shot values. As the saying goes, "it's not as easy as it looks!"




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Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

George Pazin

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Re:GCAer Lido Contest Entry
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2007, 12:53:11 PM »
I'll tell you what I flat out LOVE about this hole: you made it interesting from all tees, especially the red tee. I think too often the red tees are an afterthought, or worse, too condesecendingly dumbed down.

I'll add more thoughts later, when we get the current job in our shop off the press and out the door.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Garland Bayley

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Re:GCAer Lido Contest Entry
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2007, 01:02:52 PM »
I have to wonder about the feasibility of the short hitter route (175 drive). Is his drive ending on top of the dune? Apparently all players have to cross the 30 ft dune. How amenable is the hole to my 80 year old friend who hits it 150 tops?
« Last Edit: May 15, 2007, 02:01:36 PM by Garland Bayley »
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George Pazin

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Re:GCAer Lido Contest Entry
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2007, 01:07:41 PM »
Unless I'm reading it wrong, it looks as though there's plenty of room to play around the dune. Seems like classic strategy stuff to me.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Garland Bayley

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Re:GCAer Lido Contest Entry
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2007, 01:40:56 PM »
Unless I'm reading it wrong, it looks as though there's plenty of room to play around the dune. Seems like classic strategy stuff to me.

The diagram shows two parallel dunes running up to the fairway and leaving the fairway, which would make one assume that they were levelled for the fairway. However, looking at the elevation diagram at the bottom, it clearly shows the dune elevations being in the fairway.

It also looks like Jeff used Astoria for his model to draw a hole from as I did in my entry to the contest.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Justin_Zook

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Re:GCAer Lido Contest Entry
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2007, 01:41:27 PM »
Gotta love the potential for a 150 foot putt.  
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Jeff Doerr

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Re:GCAer Lido Contest Entry
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2007, 03:12:26 PM »
Garland,

I was thinking of the diagonal across Astoria like dunes. The flow in the valleys also moves down to the right corner.

I thought of option IV more for the good player into a very strong headwind.

The 150-tops player should be able to slice a drive from the white tees down into the valley for a reasonable shot up to the large green. Even a slice from the blue tee should get a similar result with decent contact.

I would expect the bunker at the bottom right of the second valley to catch a lot of big hitters for a long uphill sand approach.




Justin,

Yes, you could have a very long putt! The big green allows the average player a chance to get on in the wind and maybe make the two putt. The better player would need to find the right part of the green for a chance at birdie.
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