Probably between 80 and 90. As low as 77 or 78 and as high as 94 or 95.
I play a lot of golf at Bear Creek Golf Club in Murrieta, California (~7100 and 75.3/143.). Tom Pernice Jr. is a member and plays there all the time. He shoots 67 - 70 most rounds and will go slightly lower than that when he plays well. He plays with "The Guys" all the time in the Friday and Saturday skins games when he's in town. I generally shoot 70 to 76 on that course when my back is feeling okay unless it's set up very difficult or I have a poor round.
Three or four weeks ago, a local top mid-am, Steve Nichols, shot a nice 64 at Pernice, and I think Pernice shot 68 or 69 that day.
Last year's U.S. Mid-Am champ, Womack (I think that's his name), shot two rounds in the 80's. I have played against two U.S. Mid-Am champs and a U.S. Publinks champ: Danny Green, Greg Puga, and Tim Hogarth, and in any given round I am capable of beating them, though they are going to get the best of me most of the time in a four-round tournament.
I'm sure Mucci is going to have a cow at my statement, but so be it. I have no doubt that I could shoot in the 80's at Augusta in today's conditions, and even in the 70's if I putted well.
There's at least one other player on this board (and probably others) that I know could do the same thing: Andrew Biggadike.
Oh yeah: To shoot anything decent, I'd have to take a cart, because walking that course would give me a frickin' heart attack! LOL!
DAVID,
IT IS OBVIOUS YOU MUST BE A GOOD PLAYER.....HAVE YOU QUALIFIED FOR MATCHPLAY IN ANY USGA EVENTS?
IT IS MY OPINION THAT MOST SCRATCH PLAYERS WOULD NOT BREAK 100.....MYSELF I HAVE SHOT 73 AT ANGC DURING THE SEASON BT COULD NOT BREAK 100 DURING TOURNEY......
I THINK THAT MOST PLAYERS BELOW THE LEVEL OF USGA MATCHPLAY COMPETITION WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME GOING UNDER 100.....
ALSO MOST TOUR EVENT COURSES ARE NOT SET THAT DIFFICULT....THIS IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT COURSE THAN A TOUR COURSE...PLAYING A TOUR PLAYER AT YOUR HOME CLUB AND PLAYING UNDER THE GUN ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS
BUT WOULD WISH YOU THE BEST....
MIKE
Mike,
John Kelly shot 77-77 and I would take 22 from him anyday, even with Masters crowds, TV and Freddy and Jason as our caddies. Length is not the issue. Just putt reasonably and one would be fine. Chipping could be my waterloo, but with the proper practice rounds, breaking 90 in one of the two rounds would be a piece of cake. The course seems like it would suit me off the tee, nowhere else, but off the tee it would suit me. David Ober shooting 23 or more worse than Kelly is absurd. Oh, never mind, I didn't see the caveat, I have made a matchplay before. I am sure that Ober has made many. Still, I think there are scratches that could do it.
Glenn,
I have never made match play at a U.S. event because it is almost impossible for me to walk 18 (let alone 36) and play anywhere near my best due to my lack of conditioning and a bad right arch. I have only attempted the U.S. Mid-Am Qualifier three times, missing by one twice (once with a triple on the last hole -- yikes!)
In the last two SCGA Mid-Am tournaments, I finished T-3 and T-11 and bested the following players, all of whom have at least made match play at a U.S. Event and some much farther than that:
Scott McGihon (Holds the 2nd lowest 36-hole score in U.S. Mid-Am history)
Ed Cuff Jr. ('99 California Amateur Champ)
Tim Hogarth ('99 U.S. Public Links Champ)
Don DuBois (2005 California Amateur Champ)
Craig Steinberg ('97 and '99 U.S. Mid-Am Semi-Finalist)
Gary Havro
John McClure
David Bartman
John Adams
Patrick Carrigan
Jason Bittick
Michael Turner
Keith Kinsel
Jason Bittick
If the original poster doesn't think I am capable of playing shot for shot, hole for hole with anyone who makes match play in U.S. events, I really don't know what to say.
You really put it in perspective with the 22 shots comment above. Oh well. I'll just keep competing.