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Kevin Pallier

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Ryder & Presidents Cups of Architects
« on: November 12, 2006, 06:50:00 AM »
We all know that The Ryder / Presidents Cups involve various match play matches between players selected from teams of twelve. How about a hypothetical involving a little fun - based on architects and their courses ?

As a captain who would be your 12 selections as the best to represent Team Europe v Team America and for good measure the Rest of the World ?
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Brian Phillips

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Re:Ryder & Presidents Cups of Architects
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2006, 07:09:51 AM »
Kevin,

Believe it or not but this has done before in a matchplay tournament (not Ryder Cup style just plain knockout).  I think MacKenzie won in the final but I cannot remember.

Brian
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David Stamm

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Re:Ryder & Presidents Cups of Architects
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2006, 01:33:35 PM »
For Europe

Mackenzie, Alister
Colt, H.S.
Alison, C.H.
Old Tom Morris
Braid, James
Simpson, Tom
Ross, Donald
Park, Willie
Watson, Willie
Jones Sr., Robert Trent
Strong, Herbert
Thompson, Stanley


For the U.S.

Tillinghast, A.W.
Flynn, William
Thomas, George
Raynor, Seth
Maxwell, Perry
Bell, William P.
Wilson, Dick
Wilson, Hugh
Emmet, Devereux
Dye, Pete
Doak, Tom
Coore, Bill/Crenshaw, Ben

ROTW

Travis, Walter
Macdonald, C.B.
Russell, Alex
Limburger, Bernard von (I'm reaching now)


I don't know enough of other ROTW architects to make a pick.
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Ryder & Presidents Cups of Architects
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2006, 04:45:01 PM »
Nice lsits David but you've not used your captain's pick's to include the follwing (selected for the golfing abilities).

Europe
Taylor
Vardon
Ballesteros
Faldo
Langer

USA
RT Jones
Nicklaus

ROW
Thompson
Player
Els
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David Stamm

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Re:Ryder & Presidents Cups of Architects
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2006, 04:47:42 PM »
Tont, RTJ is included on my Europe side, since he was born in Britain.
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Ryder & Presidents Cups of Architects
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2006, 04:59:23 PM »
Not the one I'm thingking of.  ;)

perhaps it's clearer if I put

RT Jones Jr.

(apologies for the confusion and I realise the above does not entirely clear up my meaning).

« Last Edit: November 12, 2006, 05:00:21 PM by Tony Muldoon »
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Kevin Pallier

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Re:Ryder & Presidents Cups of Architects
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2006, 09:10:37 PM »
David

I like most of your choices for Europe and would probably swap Fowler / Fernie for Watson / Strong from what I've seen

For the U.S. - I can't really comment as I haven't seen enough

ROTW - I'd add Eric Apperly + Norman & Harrison...others ?
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James Bennett

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Re:Ryder & Presidents Cups of Architects
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2006, 09:19:23 PM »
ROTW - additions

Graham Marsh
Bruce Devlin
Bob Shearer
Jack Newton
Mike Clayton
Roger Mackay (RIP)

If the competition is based on the quality of the courses, the order may change in a few places.

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David Stamm

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Re:Ryder & Presidents Cups of Architects
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2006, 11:33:37 AM »
Kevin and Sean, I could only put 12, but I would definitely place Fowler on the list, perhaps in the place of Watson or Strong, and I did consider Hackett. Maybe Fowler and Hackett as alternates?
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Ulrich Mayring

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Re:Ryder & Presidents Cups of Architects
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2006, 06:43:26 PM »
Bernhard von Limburger is European, as are Javier Arana and Eddie Hackett. There would also be Don Harradine and Fred Hawtree to consider as Britain's strongest offering after WW II. A most notable Golden Age omission is J.S.F. Morrison.

Faldo, Ballesteros and Langer - please. They can play in the "other" Ryder Cup :)

Ulrich
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David Stamm

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Re:Ryder & Presidents Cups of Architects
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2006, 07:11:51 PM »
Ulrich, I did know Limburger was German, I just ran out of room for the Europe side, so....
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Ulrich Mayring

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Re:Ryder & Presidents Cups of Architects
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2006, 08:12:39 PM »
I agree that the European team is just too deep - sounds like the "other" Ryder Cup :)

Ulrich
« Last Edit: November 13, 2006, 08:12:54 PM by Ulrich Mayring »
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