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John Kavanaugh

Does it start with a news release of the architect search...or even before then.  How would you pomote (edit) it months after opening day..
« Last Edit: November 01, 2006, 03:18:31 PM by John Kavanaugh »

JESII

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Re:If you had a new course how would you hype it and when would you start..
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2006, 02:42:38 PM »
Tell me about Bandon #4.




a question here that was touched on in the other thread....what exactly does "HYPED" mean and is it a bad thing?

Dan Kelly

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Re:If you had a new course how would you hype it and when would you start..
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2006, 02:50:11 PM »
Have we become so cynical that all promotion is considered hype(rbole)?
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

John Kavanaugh

Re:If you had a new course how would you hype it and when would you start..
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2006, 02:58:31 PM »
I am so cynical that I don't consider hype a bad thing...Could just be adult ADD and I never get past the trailor.  I already feel like I have read Rick's book and it even isn't printed.

oops..I just realized I may have offended people with Adult ADD which is not a joking matter.  For that I apologize.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2006, 03:02:15 PM by John Kavanaugh »

Tommy Williamsen

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Re:If you had a new course how would you hype it and when would you start..
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2006, 03:15:31 PM »
Hype carries with it pejorative connotations.  It almost assumes that someone is talking up an inferior product. When someone has built a course about which they are passionate, how do you keep that passion quiet?
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
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Joe Hancock

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This could get really good...and ruffle a few promotional feathers.....

Joe
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Dan_Callahan

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I think the approach would be different depending on whether the course is public or private.

Padraig Dooley

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If a course is good enough it doesn't need promoting or hyping, surely word of mouth is good enough or is it?
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Joe Hancock

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If a course is good enough it doesn't need promoting or hyping, surely word of mouth is good enough or is it?

I don't agree with that in the initial offering of a course to the public. To wait on word of mouth to kick in might be a financial nail in the coffin.

Joe
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Padraig Dooley

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Joe

That was the question, would word of mouth be good enough?

You're right for a club beginning word of mouth might take too long to get around. For an established club, it can be enough.
There are painters who transform the sun to a yellow spot, but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence, transform a yellow spot into the sun.
  - Pablo Picasso

Jim Sweeney

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For a course which is to be open to the public, keeping a little mystery would be a good PR tactic. A notice here, a press release there- especially if there is a top flight archie or a significant piece of land. But don't, as they say "spioll all your candy in the lobby." A tear or more of golfers waiting, watching, gossiping, trying to get the inside dope, will build the most interest.
"Hope and fear, hope and Fear, that's what people see when they play golf. Not me. I only see happiness."

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Phil_the_Author

Name it Trump Municipal!

Adam Clayman

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According to one of our esteemed architect contributors, 15 miles is the area where the majority of your repeat business will come from. Therefore, Word Of Mouth is clearly the most important vehicle. Without it, or hiring some 5th avenue marketing firm, you're dead in the water. Of course the only way to get word of mouth is to have a product that hits on all cylinders. Fun, Value and a good soup being the criterion. ;D

Or,
 You could try what this guy did.

http://www.nptelegraph.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17404376&BRD=377&PAG=461&dept_id=531813&rfi=6

Making your location a destination
« Last Edit: November 01, 2006, 09:34:21 PM by Adam Clayman »
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cary lichtenstein

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I would use Bandon PR as a model, they have done it perfectly.
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

ForkaB

Tooshay, Cary

Keiser wrote the book on this one.

Dan Kelly

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Keiser wrote the book on this one.

Yeah ... but he wrote it on Recycled Paper.
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Joe Hancock

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So, the same process employed at Bandon should, in theory, work for a new low budget course in the suburbs of Memphis.

Joe
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

JESII

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Tooshay, Cary

Keiser wrote the book on this one.

I'd expect a bit of credit for calling this one in post #2 my good friend Richard. Their 4th course is still a figment of our collective imaginations and I'b bet the first month could sell out if they wanted it to.


The second part of my post #2 has been answered as I had thought.

JESII

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Joe Hancock,

I would say yes, so long as the program is proportional to their audience. I am in Mike Keiser's audience, but I am probably not in the audience of the low budget course in the suburbs of Memphis.

ForkaB

Jim

I'll give you partial credit. ;)

Keiser's hype started well before Bandon #2 (Pacific Dunes).  You were observant to see how it has continued relentlessly and successfully to this day.

And yes, Dan, the hype has been particularly environmentally friendly!

Rich

John Kavanaugh

As someone who only wished I lived in a suburb of Memphis.  (How is golf in Tunica btw)  I find it interesting when news starts to leak out about a new course or even a new nine at least a year before work ever begins.  Do newspapers call for a story or does the story call them...or is that a function of budget.

Emmy

A few thoughts…..

Subtle messaging efforts can start once the course has secured its designer. Sometimes early-on, savvy owners will set up a gathering specifically for media reps and the course designer to get acquainted, a chance for the architect to share his/her vision for the site. It's also a good time for owners to reveal a little bit about their corporate culture (as it relates to golf and community) and the golf experience they envision for future patrons.
 
These days, many facilities (in Calif. and elsewhere) open without clubhouses and other key components in place. I often recommend to owners/managers to postpone the gala opening and 75-person media day until they are really ready. In the meantime, I encourage them to have a softer course opening, and to boutique-it when inviting media folks to preview/play the course. This is achieved through personal invitation, allowing each rep to select playing partner/s, date and time that best fit their schedule. Hopefully,the overall quality of the course coupled with a favorable on-course experience by media and playing partners, will eventually draw positive commentary about the site and designer.

As time goes on, courses operators should continue promoting the facility to its target market. Today, there’s a variety of communication tools available that can help generate new business. Yet, it still seems, one of the best ways for expanding business is through satisfied patrons. There’s nothing better than a customer who shares good news about the course or club with another person, and then some.
 

Tom_Doak

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Emmy:

Exactly.  The key to advance publicity is to allow the right people to see or play the course "in advance" and to get them talking about how cool it is.

Unless, of course, you've got a facility which is so popular that people are salivating about what is coming next.  You can hardly blame Mr. Keiser for announcing the designer of the fourth course and the attention it has generated here ... after all, he has been subjected to endless conjecture about his choice here and elsewhere for more than a year, even before he announced there would even BE a fourth course.

John:

In response to your last question:  the story calls them.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2006, 07:12:40 PM by Tom_Doak »

Yannick Pilon

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Tom,

You better be confident you have something really special going before you let the right people see or play the course...  Otherwise, I guess you have to make sure you don't get them talking about how "not cool" the course is. ;D

In other words.  It's a strategy that can act like a double edged sword.  It can bring you to the top really fast or make you sink before you're even opened! ;D
www.yannickpilongolf.com - Golf Course Architecture, Quebec, Canada

Jesse Jones

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Being a member of the media for almost 20 years I would take Emmy's advice on the Media Day. More on that later..
However, there's alot that can be done in the months long lead up to that big Media Day.
Call some media folks personally. Tell them about the project and give them an open invite to visit during construction. There are some serious dead times that Sports Directors are dying for a local story. Ask for their input about getting the word out.
Some of the regional golf magazines/flyers is another way to go. It's inexpensive to advertise there, and better than that, many of those folks are begging for something to write about.

On Media Day..
Make the course as perfect as you can.
Remember I might show up with my Photographer. If it's not as perfect as you can make it,wait.
Try to get the Architect to show up.
At the Media Day for the P.B. Dye Club, P.B. was out there playing the Par 3 11th.
Anyone who got inside his shot received a signed hat and some other swag.
If the architect can't play, just get him to work the crowd.
Just a few ideas..


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