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Tim Pitner

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UK Tournament Venue?
« on: September 11, 2006, 12:58:50 PM »
I enjoy watching the World Matchplay Championship, which is being held this week at Wentworth.  I like the 36-hole match format and the usually blustery conditions.  This year's field is very strong too.  However, since Wentworth is also the host of the BMW Championship earlier in the year, I think it'd be good to find another venue for the matchplay event, specifically one with more heathland than Wentworth.

What heathland course could realistically host such an event?  Walton Heath (Old? New? Composite?); Sunningdale New?  I don't know much about these courses so I'm just speculating.  Does anyone have any thoughts?

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:UK Tournament Venue?
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2006, 01:12:31 PM »
My vote would be to keep Wentworth for the Matchplay as it has always been held on this course.  I would rather that the PGA moved about to various parts of the country to good courses of all kinds, links, heath, parkland, moorland etc...  I think that Wentworth is a good matchplay venue because even short par 4s such as the 16th and several on the front nine can be quite challenging under matchplay conditions while they are normally fairly straightforward in the PGA.  Let's see the PGA going to Ganton, Woodhall Spa, Saunton, Deal, Royal Co Down etc.

Tim Pitner

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Re:UK Tournament Venue?
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2006, 01:29:44 PM »
Mark,

I like your suggestion, and you're right about Wentworth being more interesting as a matchplay course.

The real thrust of my question (my fault for not articulating it), is whether there are heathland or other classic, inland courses in the UK that are capable of hosting modern tournaments.  Mark mentioned two--Ganton and Woodhall Spa.  What about any courses in the London area?  

Allan Hutton

Re:UK Tournament Venue?
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2006, 03:28:26 PM »
It's been a long time since I visited, but would the King's course at Gleneagles be able to host a modern tournament?

How long has it been since the Scottish Open was last played there?


Kevin Pallier

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Re:UK Tournament Venue?
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2006, 08:02:12 PM »
What about any courses in the London area?  
Tim

As Mark said there are plenty of venues in the UK which could host a tournament and I also would like to see the PGA move around the countries.

As to your Q on the London area, I would like to see a Tournament at Sunningdale (Old) - unfortunately it's too short these days too host a mens tournament though I did see new "Tiger tees" being built when I was there last.

A combination from Walton Heath would also be nice - though once again they'd have to build new tee boxes.

It will be interesting to see how The Grove pans out as a Tornament venue....

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:UK Tournament Venue?
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2006, 09:17:50 AM »
The composite course at Walton Heath can be made quite long enough even for today's players.  They play the Old 16th (normally a shortish par 5) as a cracking good par 4.  They roll two holes together, it might be the Old 3rd and 4th, and there is plenty of space to put in new tees.  The only problem comes at the end, as neither 18th hole is as strong as the rest of the course.

The length question is a serious issue.  There are so many wonderful heathland courses near London which are now too short - even Wentworth West.  Professional tournaments used to be held at Stoke Poges, Moor Park, Sunningdale Old, Royal Mid-Surrey, Woburn and probably others, but unless any of the new courses comes into the reckoning I don't see any of these (save perhaps Woburn) hosting another professional tournament.  Happily in the amateur game the Hampshire Hog/Salver at North Hants and Blackmoor, Berkshire Trophy at the Berkshire, and Berkhamstead Trophy still attract the best players, even though none of those courses is long.  The English Amateur Championship continues to be held on the sorts of courses on which we would wish to see professional tournaments: Notts, Alwoodley, Walton Heath, Saunton, Woodhall Spa in recent yars, although Bromborough was a slightly surprising venue in 2005.  The Brabazon Trophy (English Amateur Strokeplay) Has been to all of these plus Deal, Hunstanton, West Lancs, although it, too, was surprising in visiting The Oxfordshire in 2005.  In Wales there are the Duncan Putter at Southerndown, the Trubshaw Cup at Ashburnhm and Tenby, the Aberconwy Trophy at Conwy and Maesdu and the St David's Gold Cross at Harlech.  It's much the same story with many of the top amateur events in Scotland and Ireland on first rate courses.  

It's curious to note that the PGA Championship (which is now the BMW Championship) has been held at Wentworth on an annual basis since 1984.  In the years immediately preceding this it had been at R St George's, R Birkdale, St Andrews, Ganton, Hillside and R St George's.  Now that's a more inspiring list.  Funnily enough, when it started out it went to some interesting venues such as Pannal, Maesdu, shburnham, Coventry, Dunbar, Western Gailes and Thorndon Park among others.  

Tony_Muldoon

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Re:UK Tournament Venue?
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2006, 10:30:39 AM »


Mark
This is the 9th at Torndon Park. However the organisers were dissapointed with the numbers of people who turned up to spectate.

With the Grove so well positioned for access from such a large population, if the Amex is a success, then I think it has a long future with tournament golf.

Of the Classic courses you list above isn't Notts the longest?
Let's make GCA grate again!

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:UK Tournament Venue?
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2006, 02:47:14 PM »
Tony,

Thorndon park was back in 1967, when Brian Huggett won.  None of those zany courses was recently.  

Yes, Notts certainly has length and there is lots of empty space on the course to accommodate tented villages etc.  It's a cracker of a course.  Motorway access is good, although the entrance to the club itself is fairly narrow.  

Someone I was speking to yesterday told me that the course suffered badly in the heat of July and was looking very ragged when he played there last week.  

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