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Doug Ralston

Golf language.
« on: July 12, 2006, 11:05:30 PM »
I am not savvy to much 'golf language'. For example, what is a redan green? Are there other variations that have special terms?

Is there a terminology thread in the past I could refer to?

Doug

Adam Clayman

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Re:Golf language.
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2006, 11:35:59 PM »
Doug, While the sites search engine is much maligned there are a few tricks to getting into the heart. Such as expanding time frames and words to search for. Then there's the tried and true method of actually going into the bowels of the pages and just searching yourself. Yuck!

In short, the redan is like many golf terms in that when meticulously disecting the resultant hole apparently shows it has different meanings to different people. I'm no expert, but i think the first Redan is somewhere like North Berwick(sp?). It's supposedly inspired by a military entrenchment. Difficult to penetrate, without a perfect plan. Notoriously most redan holes are one shotters, with a green that angles and slopes from front right to back left. The 17th at SH, the seventh at Shinecock are all classified as Redans but to me the one at the fourth at Lawsonia is more in keeping with the real deal. Uphill and long.



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Tom_Doak

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Re:Golf language.
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2006, 11:38:15 PM »
Even after playing the course several times in the past, I was surprised to play the Redan at North Berwick again ten days ago and to see how gentle the hole is as you hit past the green on the back left.  It's the only good place to miss it, and pretty much none of the Redans I've seen in North America have gotten that part right.

Jason Topp

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Re:Golf language.
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2006, 11:55:12 PM »
I am not savvy to much 'golf language'. For example, what is a redan green? Are there other variations that have special terms?

Is there a terminology thread in the past I could refer to?

Doug


Doug - this feature interview with George Bahto from a long time ago will go a long ways in giving you some of the more regularly used terms.  

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/interviewbahto.html

I would definitely recommend that you peruse the feature interviews, the "in My Opinion" pieces and the course profiles by Ran to get many of the core terms and concepts discussed on the board.

Doug Ralston

Re:Golf language.
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2006, 07:34:02 AM »
Thanks folks;

I have mostly been in the discussion area. I will look more at other resources here.

Doug

Doug Ralston

Re:Golf language.
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2006, 08:44:41 AM »
Read the Bahto interview. Lot of quite descriptive ideas put forth. I am not certain i can clearly visualize all he is saying without good close pix, though.

BTW; hope our 'minimalists' didn't read the end of this interview. Sounded as if he was trying to incorporate many of these ideas in a single course on Long Island. Musta had to move about a 'Hoover Dam' worth of dirt; literally reconstructing the entire landscape; to force that into the designated course area.

Doug

Bill_McBride

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Re:Golf language.
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2006, 09:08:03 AM »
Doug, buy a copy of George's "The Evangelist of Golf," a great book about C.B. MacDonald and the building of NGLA and his other courses which have many template holes based on CB's favorite holes in the UK.  Part of the genius of NGLA, per the book at any rate, is that MacDonald was able to find natural terrain there to create those holes without excessive dirt moving.

Gary Daughters

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Re:Golf language.
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2006, 02:38:14 PM »

Doug,

You have come to the right place.

Give it a year and you'll be a walking encyclopedia of longs, shorts, Edens, Biarritzes, Cape Holes.. club logos.. you name it.

Class is in session.  

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