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TEPaul

What else will Ogilvy say....
« on: June 24, 2006, 08:00:49 AM »
....about golf course architecture and the state of the game today in his year as the reigning US Open champion?

Has he said enough already or should he use his new found notoriety to say more? I wonder how much more is on his mind on these general subjects, and if there is a lot more on his mind I wonder what it is.

What if he did say a whole lot more and really publicly that is a large departure from the way things generally are today in golf and golf course architecture? How do you suppose that would sit with many of his fellow competitors, or with the world's regulatory bodies of golf? Is he in a position now where it would be difficult for most not to listen to him and take his opinions seriously? I can't imagine a more interesting spokesman than Ogilvy---a new generation golfer who possessed as much of the distance power anyone else these days has. Perhaps even a young golfer who doesn't even remember the way things once were in golf but is nonetheless apparently thoroughly fascinated by it.

What else would you do at this point and in this vein if you were Geoff Ogilvy?

I hope Mike Clayton sees this as his opinion may be the most telling of all. Mike, give all of us on here a Christmas present by seeing if you can get Geoff Ogilvy to register and post on GOLFCLUBATLAS.com.   ;)
« Last Edit: June 24, 2006, 08:04:31 AM by TEPaul »

ForkaB

Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2006, 08:07:48 AM »
Tom

Shouldn't Mr. Clayton encourage Geoff O. to post on Geoff S.'s website, since that's where all the golf world's "heavyweights" go to learn about GCA these days?

TEPaul

Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2006, 08:16:59 AM »
Rich:

Definitely. Even if I'm quite certain that such a thought would never occur to you, it doesn't have to be an either/or thing--- it would be nice to see him post on both.  

If he posted on here he could even have the added benefit of having you tell him all he needs to know about top level golf and golf course architecture. Hell, he could even learn all an "English honors" student knows about satire.  ;)

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2006, 10:07:56 AM »
Rich,
Your starting to sound a little bit boring and predictable. And trust me, I know how boring and predicatable I can get, so I know where your coming from.

Geoffrey Childs

Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2006, 10:41:55 AM »
TEP

That all depends on just how much he cares about his Cobra/Titleist endorsement contract. I don't think they would enjoy hearing why his ProV1x and Cobra drivers are bad for the game.

It would be great if he felt he was in position to forego millions in OEM contracts but I would not blame him for trying to protect the future of his family.

Now if he just stuck to architecture and preservation of classic designs, maintenance and course setups then I think he could be a GREAT spokesperson.

TEPaul

Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2006, 12:36:36 PM »
"Anyone know who made the ball for the Ohio Golf Association?"

BillyGee:

Save your dime to that women you think will tell you who made the ball for the OGA. No one MADE the ball the OGA is going to use FOR the OGA. The OGA merely bought $10,000 worth of a golf ball that's been on the market and is USGA conforming. The OGA simply feels the ball they are going to use is a little "softer" which apparently means it's a bit more high spinning than most of the balls used today. According to the USGA tech center that will invariably mean it will probably be somewhat more detrimental distance-wise to a certain type of player rather than others.

Mike_Cirba

Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2006, 12:41:28 PM »
"I Just won the US Open and now I'm logging into GolfClubAtlas.com!"   ;D

TEPaul

Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2006, 01:09:32 PM »
Look, Mikey, most all these guys who are that good set some pretty lofty goals. I don't know if Ran will let Ogilvy register on here but that doesn't mean GeoffO can't hope. I spoke to Ran Morrissett about this but he only said he'd think about it and that I shouldn't be surprised if he tells Ogilvy that he'd have to win at least another US Open before he'd register him on here.

Mike_Cirba

Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2006, 01:38:22 PM »
Tom,

Yes, Ran's standards have obviously been raised a notch or two since you and I were able to register back in the day.

Thankfully, we were both grandfathered in before GCA became chic among the jet-set.  ;)

Craig Sweet

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Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2006, 01:39:48 PM »
Jet set?  I thought you "hickory" lovers took the train. ;D
No one is above the law. LOCK HIM UP!!!

Mike_Cirba

Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2006, 01:43:44 PM »
Jet set?  I thought you "hickory" lovers took the train. ;D

Craig,

Actually, we walk.  ;)

Still, given Ran's travel schedule, I guess even a purist like him has to make some accomodation to modern progress.  ;D

ForkaB

Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2006, 04:33:26 PM »
Rich,
Your starting to sound a little bit boring and predictable. And trust me, I know how boring and predicatable I can get, so I know where your coming from.

You are right, Tommy.  Even I am finding myself boring and predictable.  I'd prefer to talk about GCA, but there's little of it on this site now.  Fortunately, we all know that this will change, in time.

Dan Kelly

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Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2006, 06:06:05 PM »
I'd prefer to talk about GCA, but there's little of it on this site now.

Might I suggest www.geoffshackelford.com?  ::)
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

paul cowley

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Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2006, 06:07:31 PM »
Mr Morrisett....if it is true that GCA has become chic among the jet set and that Geoff O wants to come aboard but can't for lack of room...well, I'll offer up my seat for as long as he holds the Open title to give him a little headstart......and maybe then I could take a little sabbatical and go search for that damned peacock who confronted me at dawn at 16,000 ft somewhere in the Everest region some years past...not really sure where anymore, but...... I wasn't any more sure now than when I found myself there to begin with... and then that damn peacock was just standing there on that big rock!
« Last Edit: June 24, 2006, 06:08:58 PM by paul cowley »
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Chris Kane

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Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2006, 06:15:47 PM »
I'm sure if Geoff Ogilvy wanted to post on GCA, his registration would go through very quickly.  But, as much as I'd like to see him do it, what does he have to gain here?

paul cowley

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Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2006, 06:21:20 PM »
Chris...I think he would expect to gain about the same as all of us do.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2006, 06:27:16 PM by paul cowley »
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

ForkaB

Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2006, 06:37:09 PM »
I'd prefer to talk about GCA, but there's little of it on this site now.

Might I suggest www.geoffshackelford.com?  ::)

Many thanks, Dan, but I just checked it out and its even more boring and predictable than I am! :'(

Mike_Clayton

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Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2006, 08:33:34 PM »
Geoff has always said what he thinks about architecture and the equipment debate.
I suspect it has been suggested  he say a little less about it  - although at his press conference in Melbourne this week he again spoke of the need to regulate the ball for the best players ' and make Royal Melbourne play closer to the way it was meant to'
He was a lot more interested in that question than the predictable 'How do you feel?' and 'Do you think you can replace Greg Norman?"

Currently Shackelford and John Huggan, and me I suppose, are the three writers who have had any interest in talking to him about the game and it is through us that his thoughts have been publicized.
Hopefully that will continue.Huggan invited him as his guest to the British Golf Writers dinner at The Open - long before he won at Winged Foot.

I sent a note to Ran earlier in the year suggesting a Feature Interview with Geoff for GCA and I will talk to him about that this week.He may or may not want to do it but I think it would be very interesting.


Pete Lavallee

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Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2006, 09:04:24 PM »
I sent a note to Ran earlier in the year suggesting a Feature Interview with Geoff for GCA and I will talk to him about that this week.He may or may not want to do it but I think it would be very interesting.

Capitol suggestion; I'm sure we could all learn a lot from this articulate champion!
"...one inoculated with the virus must swing a golf-club or perish."  Robert Hunter

Anthony Butler

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Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2006, 11:50:55 AM »
Geoff has always said what he thinks about architecture and the equipment debate.
I suspect it has been suggested  he say a little less about it...

I sent a note to Ran earlier in the year suggesting a Feature Interview with Geoff for GCA and I will talk to him about that this week.He may or may not want to do it but I think it would be very interesting.

Mike,

That would be fantastic if you could pull off this interview...
Also, who is suggesting Geoff say a little less about the effect of equipment advances on traditional shot values? My first guess would be Wally Uhlein and his henchmen from Cobra/Titleist...

BTW-Given his Puma contract, I can't imagine we'll see Geoff come out in favor of traditional clothing values. :o
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re:What else will Ogilvy say....
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2006, 03:16:02 PM »
TEP

That all depends on just how much he cares about his Cobra/Titleist endorsement contract. I don't think they would enjoy hearing why his ProV1x and Cobra drivers are bad for the game.

It would be great if he felt he was in position to forego millions in OEM contracts but I would not blame him for trying to protect the future of his family.


Never a truer word spoken on GCA :(
Let's make GCA grate again!

Anthony Butler

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Clayton on Ogilvy
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2006, 10:22:55 AM »
After all the analysis of Mickelson's brain cramp. Mike is the first person to explain how Ogilvy actually WON the Open.

http://www.golfobserver.com/features/clayton/clayton_Ogilvy6_25.html

IF you still want more on why Mickelson actually lost, this article has a fresh take. Draws some interesting paralells between Mickelson and Van DeVelde.

http://www.golfobserver.com/features/Barrett/Barrett_openround4.html
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