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TEPaul

Re:Architecture producing Great champions?
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2005, 07:49:23 AM »
GeorgeP:

I like what you said about great golf courses producing great leaderboards, not just great champions. I've always thought too many fans put too much stock in their expectation of "name" players, particularly in majors. Tom Doak is right that even on great courses the guy who's really on that week wins, no matter who it is. I feel those pros are way more intuitive than we know about what they need to shoot in 72 holes. Nicklaus was other-worldy coony about that and he used to talk about it. Woods is obviously the same, he just doesn't discuss it like Jack did.

It's fascinating to watch the "name" players play throughout a 72 hole major and how they pace themselves on Thursday and Friday---how they readjust on Saturday and Sunday depending on where they are. Merion's last Open was the most fascinating example of that I've seen--how various players played #2 on Thursday and Friday and readjusted on that hole on the weekend on the tee depending on where they were. that was a microcosim of that sophisticated course management tour pro style.

Woods's rounds in the British Open were interesting too. On Saturday sitting on a comfortable lead he must have gone into total cruise control. It wasn't lost on me watching the 67 Woods shot on I think Friday and also his round on Sunday that if he'd been putting near the top of his game he probably would've won that Open by 10 shots or more. Although he'll probably never say so I bet Woods had a 72 hole number in mind going into that tournament and I bet he was right around that goal on the 72nd hole.

TEPaul

Re:Architecture producing Great champions?
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2005, 07:59:09 AM »
Wayne:

Regarding your post #15 and Huntingdon Valley---I think a course like that one which really does take some understanding and caution in a multi-round tournament is one of Philadelphia's best examples of a course that has what I call a "high intensity level". I've always felt the courses in this area that had that factor are Merion East, PVGC, HVGC and to an extent Rolling Green.

By that I mean that on those particular courses for various reasons a single bad mistake seems to get magnified even with very good players.

The result courses like those ones produce even in a good multi-round tournament, even a state amateur which HVGC will hold next week or even the US Amateur at Merion East is one that produces a much wider separation of scoring throughout the entire field. Somebody, or a few generally play those courses OK throughout but from about the top ten on back things tend to really separate.

It was that way at the Pa State Amateur at Oakmont last time---another course with an unusually high "intensity level".

Having played all those courses over the years in one kind of tournament or another (compared to the rest of the courses I know) those few seemed to give me a much larger headache (literally) when the day was done. Obviously the reason for that was everyone who knows those courses well understands you just have to concentrate far more throughout with basically no let up for 4 and 1/2 hours. Those courses were much more mentally draining than the rest. On those ones you seem to be much more "on edge" all day long. The good news was if you played those ones OK it was far more gratifying than if you played any of the rest of the courses around here well.

The other ones around here that drained me with that "intensity level" were Moselem Springs and Aronimink. The latter did that to me probably only because it really is a bit of a slog and I was so short compared to the people I competed against.

The other end of the spectrum around here for me were LuLu at the top of the list, GMGC and ones like Riverton, St David's, Whitemarsh, Concord, Overbrook, Sandy Run, Sunnybrook, Manufacturers, Torresdale Frankford, Cedarbrook, PCC or even Wilmington and the Cricket. Most of the rest I hardly remembered.  ;)
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