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Anthony_Nysse

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Ocean Forest Golf Club
« on: March 18, 2005, 08:44:06 PM »
Ocean Forest Golf Club-St. Simmons Island, GA -I'm playing here on Sunday afternoon and just looking to see if anyone has played it, has pictures of it and what there thoughts are. I know it is a Ress Jones course that opened in 1995, and has floated in and out of the Top 100...supposed to be on a pretty good piece of land also......
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Sam Sikes

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Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2005, 09:02:41 PM »
IMO, Ocean Forest is one of Rees' best.  That is not to say it does not have the circular bunkers, and funny looking mounds, but it does have some beautiful holes that play well.  Additionally, it is probably in excellent shape right now.  I havent played it since 1998 so I cant remember all of the holes individually.  I think I remember 1 being somewhat of an iffy hole, but I remember 2, 7, 10 or 11, 14, 15 being pretty good holes, and then 17, 18 out on the ocean.

I have good memories of OF as far as Rees is concerned.

Mark Brown

Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2005, 10:00:09 PM »
Tony,
It's one of Rees' best courses and a very good golf experience, however, I don't think he came close to maximizing the potential of the site. He used the oceanfront for one hole, a long par-four. The first hole is questionable.

And most of all he had a links/maritime forest site with natural dunes and grassed everything over, and there are no exposed sand dunes left. It could have been great, but it's certainly worth playing. If Doak or C&C had done it, it would probably be top 10 modern. Let me know what you think.

Brad Klein

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Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2005, 09:36:50 AM »
Anthony,

One correction. I'm working from memory here, as I'm traveling, but I'm quite certain that Ocean Forest has consistently been in the middle of our top-100 Modern list since Golfweek's first ratings in 1997.

There's consensus here: the back nine is superb, esp. as the course incorporates the tidal marsh on the short par-4 13th and then from there in each hole is very good on the marsh and wind-exposed environment (and finally the ocean on the 18th!).

The front nine is basically an extended wait of anticipation for the golf course to start, and I think the comment (above) about having grassed over the dunes is the most perceptive comment i have ever heard about what could have been done with the golf course and why in some dimensions it falls short of fully realizing its potential. And it is about the worst opening hole (short par-4, lay-up tee shot, with a pond squeezing the landing area) I can think of on an otherwise very good course.

Michael Dugger

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Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2005, 03:31:21 PM »
Tony,
It's one of Rees' best courses and a very good golf experience, however, I don't think he came close to maximizing the potential of the site.

And most of all he had a links/maritime forest site with natural dunes and grassed everything over, and there are no exposed sand dunes left. It could have been great, but it's certainly worth playing. If Doak or C&C had done it, it would probably be top 10 modern. Let me know what you think.


Sounds a lot like another site I know of in Florence, Oregon.
What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2005, 06:49:19 PM »
Brad,
  You are right about the ranking of Ocean Forest. I should have said that GD has had it bouncing in and out of the Top 100...GW has had it right around 60-65ish....
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Brad Klein

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Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2005, 10:38:53 PM »
How dare you confuse GD with GW.

JNC Lyon

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Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2005, 10:37:34 AM »
Golf Magazine had it at 6(!) on its list of Top 45 Modern Courses.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2005, 10:37:45 AM by JNC_Lyon »
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HamiltonBHearst

Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2005, 10:47:40 AM »


Dugger

Have you seen ocean forest.  Better yet do you have pictures of the "land surrounding" OF.  We saw what you tried to pull in Oregon before Pat M. set the record straight.

Michael Dugger

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Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2005, 01:04:50 PM »

We saw what you tried to pull in Oregon before Pat M. set the record straight.


You did?!  

Oh my god :o  

   
What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2005, 08:34:08 PM »
"Designed by Rees Jones, Ocean Forest opened in 1995 and quickly gained notority as one of the finest modern links courses in the world. Situated along that Atlantic coast, the course weaves through a myriad of oaks, pines, and marshlands. Its natural rolling terrian and stunning beauty is as distracting to the golfer as it is pleasing to the eye. It is truly a great test of concerntration and shot making ability." or so the scorebook says. First of all, OF is located on a great piece of property, located on the northern tip of Sea Island. Last year, the course removed many, many trees so the breeze is present on almost every hole. Secondly, the condition of the course is second to none. For someone who loves lush, dark green grass, this course is the pinnacle. The level of maintenance is simply outstanding. For the type of membership that OF has, the course answers all their questions.
  Architecture...Okay, "Designed by Rees Jones, Ocean Forest opened in 1995 " should say it all. A basic Rees course where the envelope was never pushed. There isn't alot of wow factor until the 13th, which sits on the Fredrica River.(?) The bunkering is lifeless. Circular bunkers everywhere...yawn. The greens are quite small and have minimul contours. One thing that OF has going is it has some very good greensites-Greens that butt right up to many marsh areas.(#10, #14, #15, #17)The biggest green is 17, a par three that opens up to the Atlantic Ocean-plays 215 from the back into the wind. My biggest problem with OF is that the fairways have the mid 90's Rees Jones mounding in the middle of them. There isn't alot of contour around the greens and lining the fairways and the course sits near sea level. If I was Rees, the first thing I would do in a renavation, is change the green surrounds and all the bunkering. There is not a ample chance to play a bump and run shot as an approach shot or around the greens. These greens would play much better and be more interesting if there were more fall offs around the greens. Lastly, SHUT THE WATER OFF-If OF played firm and had a hint of brown to if, this place would actually play like a links course and bring alot, and I mean alot more options into play. I really think that the course would be fun if the ball was able to bounce around a bit.  Being located at Sea Level, the ball doesn't travel very far, which makes it even more important to try to get a course to play fast and firm.
  Overall, I rate it a 6.5, a 7 if it was firm. I think it's current ranking in GW is about right and i will probably continued to be located around 50-65ish. Great piece of land, but Rees really, really could have hit a homerun here. This course COULD have been the best course in between Charleston(The Ocean Course) and Jacksonville.(TPC) I has/had the potential to be better than Harbour Town...great site though......
« Last Edit: March 21, 2005, 09:27:34 PM by Anthony_Nysse »
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Mark Brown

Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2005, 09:11:15 PM »
Tony,

Don't hold your breath about the course playing firm. Posh green is a must in this enclave.

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club-Pictures
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2005, 03:49:04 PM »
Thanks to Turbo, here are some pics of Ocean Forest

#1-Par 4, 340yds- Approach shot


#9 Par 3, 150yds-Tee shot


#11 Par 4, 424yds- Taken from #15 tee


#16 Par 4, 394yds- Approach shot


#17 Par 3, 215yds-Tee shot

« Last Edit: March 22, 2005, 03:54:55 PM by Anthony_Nysse »
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Mike_Cirba

Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2005, 04:03:44 PM »
Is that Belle Terre, Wild Wing, or Falcon's Fire?   ::)

I'm in awe.

Mark Brown

Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2005, 09:31:10 PM »
I have some photos of other holes if anyone is interested?

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2005, 09:36:25 PM »
Let's see them....!!
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Keith Williams

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Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2005, 04:08:32 PM »
I have never played Ocean Forest, but I am surprised at the number of comments here regarding poor use of the site.  I had always heard that Jones had to deal with lots of environmental hurdles, especially relating to wetlands.  This included reducing the amount of ocean frontage on the 18th; I believe it was originally supposed to be a par 5, all along the ocean, but a small wetland right in the middle of what would have been the landing area couldn't be permitted to be filled, so he had to move the tees up and turn it into a par 4.

Aerials of the site reveal how the property is broken up by large portions of wetlands.  Also, were there that many exposed dunes areas on the site?  I was just never under the impression that there was much in the way of sand dunes to work with there as all the maps I have seen reflect just marsh and forest occupying the mass of the site.  I am relatively familiar with the Georgia coast and had never seen anything to dispute those characteristics of the site.

I find it interesting that until now all I had heard was that it was actually a pretty difficult site.

Anybody have any good photos reflecting the terrain?

Keith.

PThomas

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Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2005, 04:21:13 PM »
those pictures are NOT flattering....
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Mark Brown

Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2005, 05:08:12 PM »
When I have time I will post some good ones.

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2005, 09:57:13 AM »
Well, take the photos for what they are worth ;D...the place really isn't that flatterning, except for the conditions......
« Last Edit: March 26, 2005, 10:10:47 AM by Anthony_Nysse »
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

PThomas

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Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2005, 10:08:15 AM »
yes, I meant what Redanman said -- quality of the picture is fine, I meant the golf holes don't look like great golf holes in the pictures
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Ocean Forest Golf Club
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2005, 10:11:36 AM »
Gentleman-No Problem...I was going down your same road...
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

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