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Peter_Herreid

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Wannamoisett Front Nine
« on: October 21, 2004, 12:48:57 PM »
Since I started off the previous thread (which certainly veered off different directions) re: Wannamoisett, I thought I would follow up with these impressions from last Thursday...

First of all, it rained very hard for the final 13 or so holes of the round.  I have no idea of how the course therefore played relative to its usual presentation, other than to say that was only a very slight slowing in the downhill putts at the end of the round compared to the beginning, certainly not enough to make a significant difference in whatever the Stimp reading may have been.  Standing water was not an issue.  I suspect the rough may be somewhat lower than usual, only in that I was able to get mid-irons on a few shots, and pitching out sideways was not mandatory because of the rough--only when I nailed it into the trees!

Everything you folks pointed out about the routing is absolutely true--I loved the way that the single dominant hill was used to such effect; 5 different greens and 5 different tees, by my count.  As a mid-handicapper who is admittedly struggling off the tees right now, I felt the need to use driver off every tee except #7 to get sufficient distance on these numerous 390yd+ par 4's, and, after the heads up from the professional staff and the folks on GCA, I made a concerted effort to stay below the hole (not always successfully, as you'll see), which is key at Wannamoisett.

There is really little way to express how much "pull" there is in these greens.  Personally (and I stress this is my opinion) I would call the greens sloped or "canted", more so than contoured, as I thought the greens did not have the wild heaving "contours" of a Prairie Dunes, e.g., probably because they are smaller.  Given the compactness of the routing, this seems just right to me...

A few pix:
#2 green from the shelf in the fairway

I was 25 ft. above (to the left from this angle) the hole, and the slope is straight down to the hole.  The first putt nearly stopped on the left edge of the hole, before trundling down 14 ft past...

#3 green


This 40 ft putt from above the hole broke about 6 ft right to left and downhill

#5 fairway, from way over to the right

The bunker with the biggest influence is probably the centerline bunker just above right-center in this picture.  Big hitters must make sure not to go in this one off the tee (311 yds, I think), and shorter hitters absolutely must clear this one with any approach, a problem when coming out of the rough

If clearing the center line bunker, this is the view of the false front #5 green.  Note the back hole location as the visual is that of no green at all to hit to...

I loved the hidden "pot" bunker on the backside of the more obvious lefthand bunker on #5
#7 hogback fairway

Tripp Davis mentioned that dealing with this slope was key in handling the approach to...

...which feature the tricky false front, and onee of the most contoured greens on the course...

Peter

Mike_Sweeney

Re:Wannamoisett Front Nine
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2004, 05:10:38 PM »
Peter,

Wannamoisett (never played, my view is limited to pictures of WM) reminds me of Merion in some ways, but is obiviously different in others. It is on a tight property, in a fairly urban area. Merion seems to have more diversity in the Par 4's due to variety of length, quarry and creek. Am I off base ?

Peter_Herreid

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Re:Wannamoisett Front Nine
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2004, 05:23:59 PM »
Mike--

In my opinion only, Merion felt like a vast sprawl compared to Wannamoisett!, but certainly they both share a similar intimacy in routing...

In terms of the variety in the length of the par 4's, I am looking at the cards from both places now.  Using middle tees yardages, Merion has 7 under 370 yds, Wannamoisett has 4.  Merion has 1 between 371-399 yds, Wannamoisett has 2.  Merion has 4 that are 400+, Wannamoisett has 7. These differences are reflected in the overall middle tee yardages (6103 for Merion, 6399 for Wannamoisett), the distribution is roughly similar if one uses the back tee yardages.

I would agree in that I perceived a greater variety in the styles of par 4's at Merion.  This is my opinion only...

To me, Wannamoisett was perhaps the longest "feeling" 6400 yds I can remember, and I stress this was without significant rough, and with perhaps the greens being a tick slower than usual...

Peter
« Last Edit: October 21, 2004, 05:24:16 PM by Peter_Herreid »

ed_getka

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Re:Wannamoisett Front Nine
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2004, 10:37:12 PM »
Peter,
  Thanks for taking the time to post pix from your round. What, if any, are the weaknesses of the course? In your opinion, of course. ;)
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Peter_Herreid

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Re:Wannamoisett Front Nine
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2004, 12:27:10 AM »
Ed--

Based only on my personal observations and tastes, and in no way reflecting anyone else's opinions of the course  ;) ;), if I had to choose a weakness or two, I might say that there is no very short or quirky par 4 (something I tend to enjoy) and that the Out-of-Bounds perimeter is always on the left hand side of the involved holes.  However, these are perhaps only weaknesses in my perception, as "your mileage may vary" :D  Clearly these same things may be strengths in someone else's view...

Peter

Thomas_Brown

Re:Wannamoisett Front Nine
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2004, 01:29:57 AM »
Peter - I will say that your pics of #3 & #5 do no justice to how dramatic those greens are.  No 3D cameras yet I guess.
IMO-#5 green is as good as #1 at Augusta National.

Paul Richards

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Re:Wannamoisett Front Nine
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2004, 10:27:44 PM »
Peter

Great pic of #3 - which is as good a short three par as exists anywhere!!
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Patrick_Mucci

Re:Wannamoisett Front Nine
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2004, 11:54:36 AM »
Thomas Brown,

The green at # 5 at Wannamoisett and the # 1 green at ANGC are so vastly different in structure, surrounds and contouring that a comparison is almost impossible.

Perhaps you meant to say # 5, 6, 9 or 14 at ANGC, which bear greater similarities from approach angles to # 5 at Wannamoisett.

ed_getka

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Re:Wannamoisett Front Nine
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2004, 01:11:47 PM »
Peter,
  Thanks for the feedback. I haven't played a lot of Ross courses, but it doesn't seem he did a lot of short par 4's, of the sort many here enjoy. Although technology is changing that. :P What are some of your favorite Ross short par 4's?
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Thomas_Brown

Re:Wannamoisett Front Nine
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2004, 12:22:14 AM »
Patrick - I agree the 2 greens I mentioned are substantially different.  I was noting that they are among my favorite green sites, not similar.  I don't care for #5 or #14 and don't see the comparison between #6 though my spectating vantage on #6 may not have given me enough data.