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Adam_F_Collins

The History of GCA: 18th Century Landscape Parks
« on: September 13, 2004, 11:20:25 AM »
I almost sent this post privately to Tom MacWood, but hoped that a public post might bring other insights.

First, as a frame of reference:

The work of such noted landscape architects as Capability Brown during the latter half of the 18th century ( The Picturesque Era), involved enormous jobs of earth moving and shaping over many (sometimes more than a thousand) acres of land.

During this period, it is my understanding that much of the work was directed toward creating 'the illusion of the natural', while at the same time molding landscapes which were 'picturesque' and visually appealing.

These grand-scale undertakings were commissioned by the wealthy land owners. Designs were created by architects and then carried out by great teams of human and animal labour. Plants were moved, removed, imported and rearranged. Drainage was considered, bodies of water were altered and created, etc.

Not surprisingly, more than one of those landscape parks eventually became golf courses themselves.

Later, (about 100 years) The Arts and Crafts movement was in full swing and many of the great thinkers and doers, including some of the classic era golf course architects, were in agreement with the movement's basic philosophies. As a result, history credits the Arts and Crafts movement as being the philosophical foundation beneath many of the Classic Era designs.

However, Arts and Crafts era gardening was an intimate affair, with many close, closed-in, smaller, personal and functional gardens, drawing on the medieval influence which was the basis of the Arts and Crafts movement.

My question:

Given the fact that works of the Picturesque era and such well-known and highly regarded architects as Capability Brown were so similar to classic era golf design in terms of scale, philosophy and execution; why do we not see greater connection between the two?

It seems that the lessons learned through the creation of the great landscape parks would have been of paramount importance to the work of classic era golf course architects.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2004, 11:32:36 AM by Adam_F_Collins »

TEPaul

Re:The History of GCA: 18th Century Landscape Parks
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2004, 01:43:56 PM »
"Given the fact that works of the Picturesque era and such well-known and highly regarded architects as Capability Brown were so similar to classic era golf design in terms of scale, philosophy and execution; why do we not see greater connection between the two?"

Adam:

Maybe we do without really knowing it!

"It seems that the lessons learned through the creation of the great landscape parks would have been of paramount importance to the work of classic era golf course architects."

Maybe not of paramount importance but that early landscape architecture may've had a far greater influence on the much later "classic era" golf architecture and architect than we realize. The major influence on classic golf architecture, probably it's prototype may still have been the random aspect of much of linksland golf (or architecture) and a good deal of the classic landscapes of someone like Capabibilty Brown were far more "'balanced" than that prototype.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2004, 01:49:11 PM by TEPaul »

Adam_F_Collins

Re:The History of GCA: 18th Century Landscape Parks
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2004, 07:47:56 PM »
The major influence on classic golf architecture, probably it's prototype may still have been the random aspect of much of linksland golf (or architecture) and a good deal of the classic landscapes of someone like Capabibilty Brown were far more "'balanced" than that prototype.

This may be true, but it seems that those landscapes were a lot closer to the natural than the Victorian approach to golf course design. The 18th Century landscape park may have been 'idealized natural' but this wavering between 'natural' and 'too balanced' is something even modern architects struggle with. What is important is the fact that they were striving for the illusion of the natural at all.

Beyond that, just the logistics of shaping gardens of that magnitude without the use of machines...

Certainly, some of this must've been considered by golden age architects. If it was, then I wonder if we can find a record of that connection?

Jim Sweeney

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Re:The History of GCA: 18th Century Landscape Parks
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2004, 11:59:30 AM »
Adam: I'm not sure if this is relevant, but you might look into the park system in Louisville, KY. Many of the parks were designed by Fredrick Law Olmstead and include golf courses. I really don't know much about them, though I'm sure the courses were not deigned by Olmstead. Contact Marty Storch, the Director of Golf for the city, he's a good fellow and will help you get started. Hope this helps.
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Adam_F_Collins

Re:The History of GCA: 18th Century Landscape Parks
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2004, 07:06:02 AM »
Any more thoughts?

Dan Herrmann

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Re:The History of GCA: 18th Century Landscape Parks
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2004, 10:22:29 AM »
There's an ancient golf course in Delaware Park - (Buffalo NY)...  I'm pretty sure the park itself was Frederick Olmstead Law's design - I wonder what, if any impact he had on the golf course.

When I was a kid, Buffalo residents would tout the 'fact' that Delaware Park was the country's oldest municipal golf course.

Here's a great web page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7172/delaware.htm  that says that the golf course was built on Law's meadow after the 1901 Pan American Exhibition.  

(Historical note - I think President McKinley was fatally wounded in Delaware Park)

(by the way, Delaware Park may well be the worst golf course I've ever played)
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BCrosby

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Re:The History of GCA: 18th Century Landscape Parks
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2004, 10:31:15 AM »
Piedmont Park in Atlanta was designed by Olmstead. It once had a nine hole golf course, so I had always assumed that it had been part of the original park design. But I don't know for sure. You can still see many of the raised tee and green sites.

Bob

P.S. I recall that the Cornish textbook for his Harvard Design School course has a chapter on some of this stuff. You might check it out.

P.S.S. Cornish goes out of his way to link gca to landscape architecture in his textbook. I assume the issue is important to him because it legitimizes the study of gca as an academic discipline. I don't think his arguments hold water. Worse, Cornish provides a bogus justification for architects like Fazio for whom beautiful landscaping is so important. It's no accident that Cornish also mentions Fazio frequently as the greatest modern architect.
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