[Bill_McBride]

I think that every situation Tom lists at Pasatiempo can be solved by using the slopes.  That is apparently one of the hallmarks of Dr MacKenzie's designs.  I know that it's possible at #6 Pasa.  

I remember a US player in the Dunhill Cup hitting lob wedges across the double greens at St Andrews and pissing off the locals.  Who was that?

[THuckaby2]

Oh heck yeah Bill - each situation CAN be doing with the putter for sure, as I did on #6... but in each case a skillful wedge player would also be tempted to lob, if the pins were tucked enough.  Thankfully they rarely seem to be.

So who was the rude unthinking unimaginative US player?

 

[Doug Siebert]

Last time I played TOC I put it on the green on #10, way way WAY right of the hole (40 feet further and I would have aced #8's front pin position)  I had over 150 feet to the #10 hole, and my caddie said that most people don't realize just how hard you have to hit a putt this long, and suggested chipping it with a 4 iron.  I just couldn't bring myself to do that on those sacred greens, hit my putt 30 feet short, and ended up with a three putt for my kindness.

A lofted pitch may be an option from the Valley of Sin, but how many of us could bring ourselves to do it?  If nothing else I'd be worried about trying to avoid digging up the turf in front of R&A members who might be looking out the clubhouse window, and blading it over the fence and scattering the onlookers

[Robert Mercer Deruntz]

There used to be a local rule forbidding the use of a lofted club on the 6th at Riviera.  On courses that are set up hard and fast, I don't think a pitch or chip would do much damage to the green.  In Southern Cali., the greens are famous for being swamp wet--perfect conditions for the 1ft long chunk wedge divot.  The 13th green at Stanwich is upside down L shapped with a severe ridge at the point of the L.  In the final round of the 1996 Met Open the pin was back left and the greens were soft and stimping @ 11-12.  From what I understand, members still talk about a wedge shot that took a foot long divot!  

[James Edwards]

Scott,

Yes, I remember with fondness that partcicular predicament.

Post it, if you could.. It was getting dark, when I was there and didn't get a good shot.

Cheers

James

[gookin]

Yes, I think the player should be free to use any club in their bag from any position on the course.  While I say that, our super did place a "Do Not Chip" sign in front of our #17 green which is a 4' deep biarritz in order to discourage players from chipping from the front to the back. Which just proves there will be conflicts on this issue in most clubs.

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