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Cristian

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Re: How good does the course you play most have to be?
« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2021, 01:11:44 PM »




Interesting question. Great courses have great landscape AND great architecture, for daily enjoyment great landscape isn’t that important in my view. Great architecture would do more for me, but as great is rare, even reasonably good would do for me, even on a mediocre site. Most important: the absence of stinker holes; when experienced repetitively these can really take away from every day enjoyment.


Summary: fairly good architecture with an absence of bad/contrived holes on a mediocre site can be enjoyed on a daily basis forever. That is how good the sport of golf is. 😁


Like most folks on this site I love to play a great course.  Royal County Down, Pine Valley, and Cypress Point have all been great experiences.  But I don’t play that quality of course every day.  I will retire in March and will move to a small resort in the Virginia Mountains.  The golf is passable but certainly not great.  In fact it is just between good and decent.  I will keep my memberships at the clubs to which I belong now but will not get there as much as I used to.  I have been asking myself, “Do I play golf because I love to hit a golf ball? Or Do I need an excellent course to make the round enjoyable?”  I don’t really know the answer yet.

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: How good does the course you play most have to be?
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2021, 02:25:50 AM »
I seem to have missed this thread first time round, but it is a question I regularly ask myself.


One of the main criteria I have when assessing a course new to me is "If I lived locally, could I be a member here and play it every week?"


Very few courses make the cut.

I have maybe 100 golf clubs to choose from within 30 minutes of my home. I could see myself as a member at maybe 3 or 4 of them. The rest - while perfectly okay courses with an enthusiastic membership - are simply too uninspiring to me to merit repeated play. I would always seek out the best course in my area to join as a member - which is why I drive 40 minutes to Cavendish rather than settle for second (or third) best closer to home.

Most people join a golf club because that's where their mates play. I don't really do "mates". I'd rather join a real quality course where I know nobody and make new friends there!

Cavendish and Silloth suit me perfectly. Yet most people think I'm mad!
;D
« Last Edit: April 26, 2021, 02:31:27 AM by Duncan Cheslett »

Thomas Dai

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Re: How good does the course you play most have to be?
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2021, 03:57:36 AM »
I've been playing mostly the same course for years and have done so at other courses in the past. And familiarity does often bring boredom, if not contempt.
A couple of ways I've found of refreshing my thoughts and liking for a course I mainly play are -
1) go play an absolute DS 0-1 dog track. You'll likely realise your course isn't as bad as you thought.
2) play from different tees, even the most forward ones. You might be surprised how the playing angles etc change.
3) play with hickories or retro equip from say the 1980's/90'.
4) Mix-up all the above in some variable combination.
atb


Jeff_Brauer

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Re: How good does the course you play most have to be?
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2021, 10:41:02 AM »
I work with a few golf biz consultants.  One says (I think based on research, although I'm not sure how formal) that most golfers pick a course where they can shoot their normal score when playing every day.


Another says golfers pick courses that are easier rather than harder, and argues the middle tee slope rating should be approximately the 116 average slope rating.  I argue that in urban areas, with many newer courses and remodels, that perhaps a course similar to the local average slope rating (which is likely to be in the 120-129 range) makes sense.


Or as one big management company guru says, no one has ever complained about us making a course easier.  My experience is a bit different - fairly often the pro or top players will argue a course needs to be tougher, and they don't care about the average golfer.


I think the above is fairly common knowledge, and since you can like a course for aesthetics and maintenance, many will design their version of an attractive course that isn't as difficult as it may look.


Granted, the question was to the participants here, and I would expect the responses here to lean towards liking a better course design wise (and assuming good design means some punishment for misses, strategy, and perhaps difficulty.)
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

David Ober

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Re: How good does the course you play most have to be?
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2021, 07:33:27 PM »
Like most folks on this site I love to play a great course.  Royal County Down, Pine Valley, and Cypress Point have all been great experiences.  But I don’t play that quality of course every day.  I will retire in March and will move to a small resort in the Virginia Mountains.  The golf is passable but certainly not great.  In fact it is just between good and decent.  I will keep my memberships at the clubs to which I belong now but will not get there as much as I used to.  I have been asking myself, “Do I play golf because I love to hit a golf ball? Or Do I need an excellent course to make the round enjoyable?”  I don’t really know the answer yet.


I'm in Southern California. I want there to be fairway and tee box grass year-round (don't care if it's dormant Bermuda that's thin or overseeded rye that's green) and my putting greens to run relatively true and have some level of interesting contour. Other than that, the rest is gravy.


I (used to) play plenty of invitational and tournament golf, so my home course could be just a place to play with the boys and gamble a bit, but now I can't even finish a round, so I'm happy to just get out at all ... anywhere ....

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