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Niall C

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Scotscraig Restoration
« on: June 12, 2016, 09:45:35 AM »
The club evidently put out a press release that was printed by several national papers. Don't have it to hand but it basically said was that to mark the two hundreth anniversary of the course, they were going to restore it to the way James Braid originally designed it.

That begs the first question, how old was James Braid when he died  ;D , and more to the point does anyone know exactly what work is being done and whether anyone is advising ? The press release refers to redoing 21 bunkers and having stripped away a lot of gorse over the winter. I think they were also going to move or extend a green.

Niall

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Scotscraig Restoration
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2016, 11:20:45 AM »
No-one is advising, the club is doing it itself. I queried this and got the reply that they didn't need architectural advice because they were just returning the bunkers to their original sizes. I shuddered.
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Clyde Johnson

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Re: Scotscraig Restoration
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2016, 11:59:43 AM »
The Course Manager has a pretty informative blog: https://scotscraiggolfclub.wordpress.com/2015/12/12/4th-green-reconstruction/


They've taken half a meter off the Knoll green, which has inevitably broadened the green.


Think I'll head out there for a walk this week...wish i'd done it before that work, like i'd been meaning to for the last 18 months  ::) [size=78%]. [/size]

Marty Bonnar

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Re: Scotscraig Restoration
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2016, 01:12:35 PM »
The Scotsman's coverage:

http://www.scotsman.com/news/200-year-old-golf-course-to-return-to-original-layout-1-4150353

Played it a few times in last couple of years. Very enjoyable.

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Andy Stamm

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Re: Scotscraig Restoration
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2016, 09:04:29 PM »
Everyone in the area has said that the condition at Scottscraig this year is very poor. I think it was down to a drainage problem or something, but everyone was a little down on it. Shame as it's a wonderful place.

Niall C

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Re: Scotscraig Restoration
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2020, 08:36:00 AM »
Just returned from a trip to St Andrews which included a game at Scotscraig. I had played there once but that was 30 years ago and didn't really have a clear memory of the course. I also have to say until I just did a search I hadn't remembered starting this thread or that work was supposed to have been done on the course.


Firstly it is lovely course but it is a members course in the Scottish tradition, which is to say keeping the ball in play is a large part of the game. Those expecting the wide open vistas of the high-end modern pay and play courses will be disappointed. That said it is eminently playable. Our group played the Eden course the day before where the winds were strong enough to effect putts and have the ball oscillating on the greens, and our game at Scotscraig was played in similar conditions, and yet we managed to get round without too many dramas.


In appearance it is similar to Gailes before it get its recent going over, with pine/birch trees, gorse and whin aplenty and lots of ground movement. Due to the topography it wasn't always, or indeed it was seldom obvious what all the options were or what was the best play, all of which speaks again of it being a members course.


While I enjoyed the course I was disappointed in the condition which wasn't great compared to what we got the day before. I also thought some of the green complexes were disappointing and if the club have done some work on them then they haven't always made the most of it. In terms of gorse clearance they appear to have taken the minimalist approach and done very little. I don't want to sound down on the course because it is certainly well worth a play but I can't help feeling it could be better.


Am I being too harsh ?


Niall   

Ian Mackenzie

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Re: Scotscraig Restoration
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2020, 10:34:03 AM »
Played it in 1990 and thought was fun but uninspiring. A solid Doak 5 maybe.


Hope they pull it off on their own.

Niall C

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Re: Scotscraig Restoration
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2020, 11:21:49 AM »
Ian

Solid is probably an apt way of putting it as it's certainly a "proper" golf course with no real diddy holes. Where I imagine the inspiration will come is in the repeat plays once you get to know it, and it strikes me as being a course that needs knowing. Knowing where to miss and when to go for it, how the ball runs etc. That seems to me to be a definition of a good to great course. Where I'm in two minds is how good this course could be.

Niall

Ian Mackenzie

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Re: Scotscraig Restoration
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2020, 01:16:28 PM »
Ian

Solid is probably an apt way of putting it as it's certainly a "proper" golf course with no real diddy holes. Where I imagine the inspiration will come is in the repeat plays once you get to know it, and it strikes me as being a course that needs knowing. Knowing where to miss and when to go for it, how the ball runs etc. That seems to me to be a definition of a good to great course. Where I'm in two minds is how good this course could be.

Niall


Fair points, Niall and - admittedly - in 1990, after playing it only once, I was not qualified to make any additional objective observations