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John Blain

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Nice Story on Pete Dye
« on: February 25, 2018, 11:58:32 AM »

Jeff Schley

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Re: Nice Story on Pete Dye
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2018, 12:21:04 PM »
Sad to hear yet another life fade away due to Alzheimer's.

I remember reading a piece on him years ago that he said he didn't own a car, but rented a car everywhere he went including home as he was on the road almost year round.  Somehow he had car insurance from an insurance agent for himself renting any car, not a car itself.  Weird story but I remember it being so odd that it stuck.
"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice your gifts."
- Steve Prefontaine

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Nice Story on Pete Dye
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2018, 12:52:49 PM »

All of us in the biz have so many fond memories of Pete.  One of mine involves a car.  A day after ASGCA, I had stayed over, and happen to see Pete at breakfast, and he sat down.  He said he was waiting for someone to deliver a Rolls Royce they owed him.  Don't recall the exact nature of the story, but had something to do with someone in Japan using his name on one of Perry's courses, and Pete demanding some kind of compensation.


Was also embarrassed to be on a flight with Pete and Alice, and sat in my first class upgrade seat, while watching them trundle to coach, stopping to note First class was too expensive for them.  Still maintained their Midwestern sensibilities.


Too many stories come to mind when I realize I will never talk to Pete again, even if I see him.  A real treasure in the Mark Twain, Dan Jenkins storytelling mold.  And, storytelling was only the second best thing he did!
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Tom_Doak

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Re: Nice Story on Pete Dye
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2018, 03:36:37 PM »
This has been going on for a while, but nobody would say anything until the family decided to speak about it.  As someone with a family history of Alzheimer's (on my mom's side), I have strong sympathy for what they are going through.



I think I still remember everything Mr Dye ever said to me, in the time we spent together on the construction site at Long Cove (and briefly at Riverdale Dunes), the planning of PGA WEST, and at those first two crazy events at the TPC at Sawgrass.  He was 56-57 then, the same as I am today, and I have much better awareness now of how many questions I asked him!  But I'm glad I asked while he was free to answer, and grateful that he never once kept anything he thought to himself.

Philip Hensley

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Re: Nice Story on Pete Dye
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2018, 10:26:37 PM »
I think I still remember everything Mr Dye ever said to me, in the time we spent together on the construction site at Long Cove (and briefly at Riverdale Dunes), the planning of PGA WEST, and at those first two crazy events at the TPC at Sawgrass.


Tom, is there anything you remember him saying or teaching that didn’t really sink in at the time or seem important but later turned out to be incredibly insightful and useful?


Or something that at the time you disagreed with and then later on as your career progressed you realized it was an insight only someone with his years of experience could see?

Tom_Doak

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Re: Nice Story on Pete Dye
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2018, 09:31:40 AM »

Tom, is there anything you remember him saying or teaching that didn’t really sink in at the time or seem important but later turned out to be incredibly insightful and useful?

Or something that at the time you disagreed with and then later on as your career progressed you realized it was an insight only someone with his years of experience could see?


Philip:


It all seemed important at the time. 


When I left, I started working in an entirely different niche of the market, and I didn't think that his observations on the psychology of Tour players would really matter much to the courses I was building.  But, now that I've heard them complain about our restoration of the Redan hole at Waialae, I guess I've come full circle   ;)


Kalen Braley

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Re: Nice Story on Pete Dye
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2018, 11:47:35 AM »
Tom,


Interesting stuff.  I need to go back and re-read Petes book.


What kind of feedback did you get from the players after the event at Cape Kidnappers?

Tom_Doak

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Re: Nice Story on Pete Dye
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2018, 01:46:25 PM »

What kind of feedback did you get from the players after the event at Cape Kidnappers?


Very little.  That was a paid vacation for those guys, and they just enjoyed playing the course.


But I did watch them, and for eleven holes, everything we had done worked like I thought it would ... the players were more conservative than most people would expect, hedging to the open sides of the greens where I gave them an out, and then found it was very tough to get up and down.


Then after 11 holes, they suddenly realized they were playing for a few hundred thou, and they might as well start aiming at the flags ... and Hunter Mahan shot 30 on the [tougher] back nine to win by one.

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