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Thomas Dai

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Re: Your Golf Course Brief
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2018, 07:29:11 AM »
A Scottish island. Doubt you’ll really need irrigation but quite a bit of drainage may be necessary! :)


More seriously - design/build it as though you were James Braid circa 1910-25 and you knew it would be grazed by sheep and played not only by big strong men but by by aged grandparents and young grandchildren.


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Niall C

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Re: Your Golf Course Brief
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2018, 08:25:40 AM »
Tim
 
I’m with Duncan. I’d probably look to design or “lay out” the course myself working with a minimal construction crew and shaper.
 
However if I managed to resist that temptation then I think I’d largely try and get out of the architects way and try not to inhibit him/her too much with any detailed brief. With that in mind, like Sean, I wouldn’t be precious about number of holes. I also wouldn’t be concerned about length, balance, hole direction and all the other paint by numbers stuff.
 
Hopefully I’d give them enough scope to feel uninhibited with their design, and to find the best the site can give.
 
Niall

Josh Tarble

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Re: Your Golf Course Brief
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2018, 10:38:56 AM »
make a small course play big

Tom_Doak

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Re: Your Golf Course Brief
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2018, 02:38:50 PM »
Really interesting to read the responses so far! I am reminded of a story that I was taught during University about briefing individuals to do work for you. The story was about the brief that Michelangelo was given to paint the Sistine Chapel. It illustrates how important a brief can be to ultimately getting exactly what you are looking for.


 this is the brief that Michelangelo was actually given (allegedly).


Please paint of ceiling for the greater glory of God and as an inspiration and lesson to his people.


This brief is both inspiring and provides direction for what he should paint. They didn't limit what or who he should paint, but contextualised it and gave him an area to paint within. Additionally, the second part gave him inspiration that his painting mattered because it would be a lesson for people who came to see the chapel.


Take the story with a grain of salt - more of a learning exercise than anything, but reading the above, I wonder how many would brief in vague ways, in excruciatingly detailed ways that neglects the overall purpose, or in uninspiring ways that leaves the designer unaware for how precious the job actually is!


Why don't we brief golf courses (and judge them for that matter) based on what purpose (hopefully grand) they fulfil, rather than defaulting to micro-detailing (or no detailing!). Surely WHY a golf course is built is more important than WHAT is built?!




Tim:


I can relate to this, both because I get different briefs from different clients, and because I will often leave my associates with a brief for working on a new green while I'm away.  In both instances I am wary of the brief being too detailed, so that it will hinder creativity.


The main thing I need to know from a client is whether they are more interested in pleasing themselves [and their own golf game], or a varied membership, or a particular group of their peers [whether "retail golfers" or low handicappers], or tournament players, or raters. 


If there are certain things about golf that the client particularly enjoys, or for that matter dislikes, I'd like to understand what those are.  But hopefully it's in general terms so I see how it fits.




Garland Bayley

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Re: Your Golf Course Brief
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2018, 03:10:06 PM »
Peter,

You start out stating it will be a par 35.
Then you say tournament par is 34, member par is 40.

I seems to me that the tournament par would have no par 5. Correct?
But, the member par would have 5 par 5s. No?

That means that 4 of your seven par 4s are long par 4s bordering on par 5s. Seems pretty unbalanced to me.

Personally, I would prefer member par 37, tournament par 33. I.e., that long par 3 on the tournament card is a member drivable par 4.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

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