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jeffwarne

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2017, 05:10:00 AM »
Making 25 footers isn't luck, especially when you're the best in the world at it.





But to demonstrate how close it really was,
If Spieth's ball goes where Kuchar's does on the second shot on 18, it's suddenly game on.
But it didnt-a tribute to Spieth's clutch closing ability.
Kuchar was 2 under from 14-17 and lost three shots!


OT-Im always amazed that when watching golf in a UK clubhouse on a beautiful SUNNY cool breezy day that they will keep all the windows and doors closed and broil inside in 85 degree stuffy air basking in the solar sweaty effect.

"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Sean_A

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2017, 05:13:23 AM »
OT-Im always amazed that when watching golf in a UK clubhouse on a beautiful SUNNY cool breezy day that they will keep all the windows and doors closed and broil inside in 85 degree stuffy air basking in the solar sweaty effect.


Jeff


There are plenty of medieval English diseases floating about.  Best to be safe...even if over the border.


Ciao
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jeffwarne

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2017, 05:29:44 AM »
Sean
Went by Kington last night.
What an epic drive in!
1 and 18 are incredible greensites.
Drove out to the middle of the course-
Breezy up there! A cool loop up top.
Wonderful turf and I was especially taken with the sharp edges and grass bunkers "mown" to the perfect height.
What a cool place.Love the clubhouse and proximity to 18.
Walked around and took pictures for  about 45 minutes

"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Bill Raffo

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2017, 06:43:01 AM »
Trying to go wire to wire is its own stressful mountain to carry around. At both the 2016 Masters and last week, Spieth had the lead from the first round on. On both occasions he coughed it up on Sunday and then rallied furiously once he was finally chasing again.  He minimized the blow up on 13 where I think he left the 12th at Augusta trailing by three after making a quad. He missed a short birdie putt on 16 at Augusta after a brilliant iron in that would have put him at -3 in the following four holes after the blow up.  The miss meant that tournament was over, but he was rallying hard then, too.   He will learn how to play with the lead on Sunday, I suspect.


He reminds me of Tom Watson, with a bit more frantic energy.  A guy who just gets the ball in the hole better than anyone else. Like Watson, Spieth will win a lot and go for as long as his putter remains other worldly on these big stages and not a day longer. 

Sean_A

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2017, 08:48:18 AM »
Sean
Went by Kington last night.
What an epic drive in!
1 and 18 are incredible greensites.
Drove out to the middle of the course-
Breezy up there! A cool loop up top.
Wonderful turf and I was especially taken with the sharp edges and grass bunkers "mown" to the perfect height.
What a cool place.Love the clubhouse and proximity to 18.
Walked around and took pictures for  about 45 minutes


Whats the matter...forgot your spanners?


Ciao
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Keith Grande

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2017, 10:44:53 AM »
Matt Kuchar has had a wonderful career while being beaten by better players.

Will Lozier

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2017, 11:29:47 AM »
He looked primed for Anthony Kim or David Duvall status.


Anthony Kim?!?! Ben, please explain how you came up with this comparison.


I watched most of the last round after his opening struggles, but missed the 30 minute hole doing chores around the house. How on earth did the officials let him take 20 minutes to find relief? Especially when they were already asked to pick up the pace.


I really like JP as a person but watching him play can sometimes be torturous with his over-analyzation and indecision. Nevertheless, good on him for such a stunning turnabout to run away with The Open.


Cheers

David_Tepper

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2017, 11:34:47 AM »
"How on earth did the officials let him take 20 minutes to find relief?"

Will L. -

Sorry, but it was not Spieth's fault it took 20 minutes to find relief. Upon coming to his ball deep in the rough Spieth decided rather promptly that he would take relief by moving  back on the line of play to the green. It took the 2 most senior rules officials in Britain that long to establish where the proper drop area was and to move the crowds out of the way.

If you have not seen the video interview with the R&A rules official explaining what happened, I would suggest doing so.

http://www.golfchannel.com/video/ra-chief-referee-explains-spieth-drop-no13/

DT
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Will Lozier

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2017, 02:40:02 PM »
"How on earth did the officials let him take 20 minutes to find relief?"

Will L. -

Sorry, but it was not Spieth's fault it took 20 minutes to find relief. Upon coming to his ball deep in the rough Spieth decided rather promptly that he would take relief by moving  back on the line of play to the green. It took the 2 most senior rules officials in Britain that long to establish where the proper drop area was and to move the crowds out of the way.

If you have not seen the video interview with the R&A rules official explaining what happened, I would suggest doing so.

http://www.golfchannel.com/video/ra-chief-referee-explains-spieth-drop-no13/

DT


David,


As I said I missed the whole episode so my question was genuine. I'll give it a watch when I get a chance.


Cheers

Garland Bayley

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2017, 01:16:24 AM »
Trevino was mentioned to have won at Birkdale so I did some research on his other Major victories. Trevino won 6 Majors with Nicklaus finishing second in 4 of them. Now that is a guy who has another gear and can close. I don't think Kuchar ever scared Spieth, we all witnessed for years nobody except one body ever held off Tiger. After all these years I finally respect Trevino like I always have should.


Respect? Odd choice of word for someone who threw a rubber snake towards his opponent at the start of the playoff for the US Open.
Atb

Guess you missed Jack's interview where he said he knew it was coming and that they were just having fun.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Brian Walshe

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2017, 07:45:56 AM »
I have to agree with Mr Doak.  The checked swing when the camera went off was Tigerish, what sent it to the next level was that he laughed and got back over the ball quickly.  Now when Tiger checked a swing he'd look up, snarl, back off and Stevie would go feral.  How much of a zone are you in, on the second last hole of a Major you're leading, to laugh when a camera goes off as you have the club coming down on a tough pitch? 

Josh Tarble

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2017, 08:56:04 AM »
What Spieth did was incredible.  I've never seen anyone go from spiraling out of control to locked in over the course of 1 or 2 swings.  He went from blowing the tournament to dominating over the course of 15 minutes.  Absolutely incredible.

Dan_Callahan

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2017, 10:11:36 AM »
It's amazing how quickly people forget Charl Schwartzel at the 2011 Master's finishing his Sunday round with four straight birdies. The next five finishers behind him: Jason Day, Adam Scott, Luke Donald, Geoff Ogilvy, Tiger Woods. Schwartzel's Sunday 66 was the low rounds of the day.

Bill Crane

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2017, 01:10:05 PM »
Ted,


I don't think just cause he did it once, doesn't put him in the same class as those guys who did it again and again...at least not yet.


Exhibit A:  Craig Perks.  Amazing finish on the last 3 holes to win the Players.  16 - Eagle, 17 - Birdie, 18 - Chip in from nasty rough to save par.


...in what would be his only win on the PGA tour.


Kalen;    Maybe this is the first he birdied that many holes to win a major, but at 23 he has already won nearly 10 times what Craig Perks did:


++  11 PGA tour wins     ++ 3 majors   ++ 3 victories this season    ++ 2 International Wins   ++ FedExp Cup winner




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Kalen Braley

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2017, 01:23:28 PM »
Bill,


I get that.  My only point was, everyone on tour is good, and any one of them can get hot at just the right time.


P.S.  Spieth has more gag jobs (ANGC) than hero saves so far, and this one was super close to another notch on the wrong belt...I guess time will tell his legacy.  Did Tiger or Jack ever falter so much down the stretch when in the lead?

Rob Marshall

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2017, 03:04:42 PM »
Bill,


I get that.  My only point was, everyone on tour is good, and any one of them can get hot at just the right time.


P.S.  Spieth has more gag jobs (ANGC) than hero saves so far, and this one was super close to another notch on the wrong belt...I guess time will tell his legacy.  Did Tiger or Jack ever falter so much down the stretch when in the lead?

Kalen,
Not sure what level of golf you have played in your life but to make a statement like that it better have been at a pretty high level. There is nothing worse than a 14 handicap calling tour pros chokers.

You may want to check the 2009 PGA. Tiger chunked a 3 wood on the 15th in the final round shot 75 and lost to Y.E. Yang. The rest is history......
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

jeffwarne

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2017, 03:24:27 PM »
Bill,




P.S.  Spieth has more gag jobs (ANGC) than hero saves so far, and this one was super close to another notch on the wrong belt...I guess time will tell his legacy.  Did Tiger or Jack ever falter so much down the stretch when in the lead?


Spieth has more gag jobs than hero saves so far???
Seriously?
He's 23.
Three majors already and he's a choker? (He has the three legs of the career Grand Slam, the same as Palmer and Watson-not bad company)
While I'm no fan of his pace of play, I am a huge fan of him in general and he's certainly as gutty a competitor as anyone out there.


There's an ebb and a flow to every round and every tournament-especially when you are a player who's strength is getting the ball into the hole better than anyone, not pure consistent ball striking.
Sometimes someone gets hot just as you're not.
Sometimes, if you're good enough, you can be on the leader board even with your B game.
failing to win doesn't make you a choker, but rather gutty for hanging in until late without your best stuff.
Most players with their B game just miss the cut or finish in the back of the pack.
The better the player, the more often they have a chance of having their B game be exposed as not quite good enough to beat another player's A game.
Doesn't make them a choker.


Tiger was an absolute historical exception as far as closing an event.
Prior to that the final round leader didn't win all that often, and hence the term "moving day" for Saturday where you just tried to get into position.


Nicklaus, the greatest ever, won 18 professional majors, and finished second 19 times.
Against far less deep fields
Does that put Jordan's record into perspective?
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Kalen Braley

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2017, 03:27:06 PM »
Bill,


I get that.  My only point was, everyone on tour is good, and any one of them can get hot at just the right time.


P.S.  Spieth has more gag jobs (ANGC) than hero saves so far, and this one was super close to another notch on the wrong belt...I guess time will tell his legacy.  Did Tiger or Jack ever falter so much down the stretch when in the lead?

Kalen,
Not sure what level of golf you have played in your life but to make a statement like that it better have been at a pretty high level. There is nothing worse than a 14 handicap calling tour pros chokers.

You may want to check the 2009 PGA. Tiger chunked a 3 wood on the 15th in the final round shot 75 and lost to Y.E. Yang. The rest is history......


Rob,


I never said I could do any better.  But to claim he's a heroic player with just 1 epic effort... among other melt downs in majors is pre-mature at best.  But that's what we do nowadays right, the latest <insert act/event> is the best ever...until next week.  ::)


P.S. Tiger Woods was already done by then, its just that most of us didn't know it until the 8 iron broke out his car window...

JLahrman

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2017, 04:00:02 PM »

I'll use this opportunity to bang on Rory McElroy, however.  He's starting to really piss me off.  I thought Rory was really going to step on everyone's throat and rack up some more majors.  Say 1 per season for a decade or so...

But now he seems to have contracted Mickelsonitis.  On one hole he will hit these amazing shots.  400 yd drives, booming irons shots and deft pitches.

Next hole he will make some tragic blunder and erase all of the "amazing" with one bad hole.


Whoa whoa whoa here...1 per year for a decade or so? He's a great player and will likely win more majors and complete the career Slam. But you just penciled him in for winning 10 majors by the time he was 31 years old (from 2011-2020)? Accomplishing something (10+ majors) that only Nicklaus, Woods, and Hagen have ever done over their careers by the time he is just entering what should be his prime?


When he's on he's unbeatable, and if you're a McIlroy fan (like I am) it's frustrating to see him make plenty of mistakes yet finish in the top 10, but I don't get all the criticism. Yes he's got things to work on - seems to mis-club his wedges too often, putting can be indifferent, etc. - but we're talking about a guy with 4 majors and 22 professional wins (including 13 on the PGA Tour), and he just turned 28.

JLahrman

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Re: Jordan Speith's final round observations
« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2017, 04:04:08 PM »

When has anyone ever seen a millionaire athlete in his early 20's who handles himself with more class and grace?


I don't know about "more", but most of them handle themselves with plenty of class and grace. I think we're setting up ourselves for a letdown when we make too much out of these guys. Spieth seems like a good guy but the vast majority of them are. Making a top athlete out to be more than a good guy who is great at his sport is usually a mistake...

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