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Jim Hoak

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Irrigation Systems
« on: December 11, 2015, 10:04:56 AM »
How long should a well-maintained irrigation system last for an established course?  Is there a rule of thumb as how long a club should plan on its system lasting?  What are the factors that affect how long the system lasts?  Is it vastly different for different parts of the country?  Are new systems much more economical with water?  Are sprinkler heads different than the underlying pipes, wires, etc.?  Are there things that can be done to extend the life of a system?  Being specific, when should a course with a well-functioning 20-year-old system plan to have to replace its underground system, if it is upgrading the sprinkler heads in 2016?

RDecker

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Re: Irrigation Systems
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2015, 06:21:17 AM »
Some factors affecting irrigation system lifespan would be your clubs location and climate. Do you freeze in winter because frost in the ground has a detrimental effect on pipe and wire.  What is your water source and quality (brackish or reclaimed water would be harder on system than "fresh" water)... There are so many newer advancements in the irrigation field these days.  A system built today will afford a club tremendous control with the ability to put less water out more precisely and cheaper.  The modern system will handle lightning strikes better and be able to be controlled by a smartphone from anywhere in the world.  The newer pipe and sprinkler materials are designed to last longer than ever and be more repairable and durable.  The key with a new system is to invest in a good designer(Jim Barret or Brian Vinchesi are both excellent if you are east coast) and then hire a good installer.

Nathan Gingrich

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Re: Irrigation Systems
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2015, 07:47:40 AM »
How long should a well-maintained irrigation system last for an established course?  Is there a rule of thumb as how long a club should plan on its system lasting?  What are the factors that affect how long the system lasts?  Is it vastly different for different parts of the country?  Are new systems much more economical with water?  Are sprinkler heads different than the underlying pipes, wires, etc.?  Are there things that can be done to extend the life of a system?  Being specific, when should a course with a well-functioning 20-year-old system plan to have to replace its underground system, if it is upgrading the sprinkler heads in 2016?


I would say that there is no fixed time period an irrigation system should last. A poorly designed or poorly installed system may warrant replacement sooner than a well installed well designed system. For that I would suggest listening to your paid professional. The question here is how much time or money the membership/ownership is willing to spend repairing leaks before replacement of pipe becomes warranted. Every day your irrigation tech spends fixing a leak is one day less he is spending refining your system to maximize playing conditions. For heads and wire there have been advancements but the most significant advancement has come in HDPE pipe. This is worth every penny and basically eliminates leaks completely for ever if installed properly. On the topic of water use and efficiency in the end it comes down to whether the tools are being used. The person sitting at the irrigation computer must have the staff to walk a fine line on water in order to really manage firm playing conditions. Elimination of irrigated turf when installing the new system is the way water consumption can be impacted the most significantly.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Irrigation Systems
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2015, 08:26:18 AM »
The people who post expected lifespans of USGA greens and irrigation systems are the same people who stand to make money if you replace one.

Ask your superintendent how much time and money he spent repairing the current system over the past year or two.

There are certainly some systems that are just poorly designed or don't provide individual head control, and may need to be upgraded for that reason, but that is not the same as saying a system is getting too old after 15 years.

Bradley Anderson

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Re: Irrigation Systems
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2015, 08:54:58 AM »
Your questions are indicative of someone who is developing an asset reserve schedule?

Most clubs do not have a plan for how much money they should be saving every year in preparation for such things as replacing the roof on the clubhouse, resurfacing the cart paths, replacing the pumps in the pool etc. This is why club members are getting hit with assessments.

Department heads should do an inventory of every asset they manage, with a projected replacement date and costs. They should talk with their vendors to develop maintenance and refurbishment schedules for extending the life of their assets, identify waste and budgets for reducing it.

There are some really good irrigation consultants and sales people out there who are just as geeked about protecting systems and reducing the consumption of water and operating costs as they are selling new systems. You really can't answer the questions you are posing without the help of a consultant and a good one is well worth every dollar he or she charges you.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2015, 08:58:12 AM by Bradley Anderson »

Mike_Young

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Re: Irrigation Systems
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2015, 09:54:38 AM »
I guess one can view irrigation in many different ways.  I know of one top US Open venue where it will have a system replaced for over 2 million dollars and yet almost 90% of it's watering will still be done by hand.  Of course that is the exception. 

But if you take the golf industry today and the average small town course, they have to really consider doing anything major.  Look at it this way.  A million bucks will cost you $7000 a month for 20 years at 5% interest rate.  You can hire a lot of labor and electrical power for that amount.  Public play courses have a hard time since they can't assess members and I don't know how many of the "needed improvements" such as USGA greens, cartpaths etc "required" every 20 years will be handled on some of these places.  It will not make sense. 

In Latin America I have learned the hardway to just go with a quick coupler system in the fairways and 4 heads around the greens with a valve.    Labor is cheap and people want the jobs of watering all nite.  And more importantly it doesn't break and they can fix it easily when it does. 

So for most of us you just put in the latest heads that work for you a few at a time and repair the leaks as they happen and keep moving.  Irrigation has become a racket.....taught by the schools and supported by the industry and promoted by the top tier clubs.




"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Irrigation Systems
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2015, 12:09:13 PM »
Jim,

The other professionals have pretty well answered your question while I was out this morning, but will add that I think the major life shortening element of old systems was the design velocity.  Technically, PVC pipe can stand up to 6FPS, maybe 7FPS velocity, but it puts a lot of pressure in the joints.  We used to design for about 5FPS, but with additions over the years,  supers not breaking out the zones as we intended, etc., the overall and periodic water velocity went up.

Texas now mandates a design standard of 4.5 feet/second on irrigation systems.  While I am not sure it is something that needs mandating, its a great guideline, especially if you size pipes for about 10% future additions (if not a wall to wall system)

Also, some note winters are hard on systems, but as to lifespan, southern systems also run almost twice as many months, which tends to shorten their lifespan.  If your pump does anything else, like pump out lakes to lower water, the pump and that section of pipe may wear out even quicker.

But, mostly, its leaks at the joints and thrust blocks that do you in.  As to your other question about replacing sprinklers, many courses have upgraded sprinklers and controls while keeping pipe, as well as extending pipe.

In a recent speech, I highlighted both the ASGCA/USGA "Life Cycle" chart, and noted that it was written by a member of the Fazio team and the USGA......both of whom seem to hang out at the upper crust clubs.  I assured superintendents that where I work, many systems are made to last beyond the 25 year life expectancy noted there.

Hope this helps.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Jim Hoak

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Re: Irrigation Systems
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2015, 03:36:51 PM »
Very helpful information.  Thank you all.  Happy to hear any more thoughts.

Dave McCollum

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Re: Irrigation Systems
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2015, 01:16:38 AM »
Not much more than an anecdotal observation.  Our 18 hole course comes from nines constructed in the mid seventies and in the mid eighties, both with the original irrigation plus significant patches and fixes since.  We water seasonally, usually mid-March to the end of October.  It's a relic design, some of it poorly installed (the newer nine, ironically) and has been more or less a constant headache and maintenance nightmare since I've been involved (25 years).  Jeff's info on water velocity is the main problem and the focus of fixes.  I could write a book on this, but too boring to consider.  Again ironically, my interest in gca began when I read the USGA article about the shelf life of various golf course components which stated that the irrigation was good for about 20-25 years.  I figured if we had to dig up our course to replace the irrigation, we might as well try to make it really good when we had to do it.  The reality is that all I've learned since about how good we could be is offset by the reality of the business since 2008.  There is no way we can afford to upgrade the irrigation, renovate the course, and expect a return on the investment in our market.  It's sad but true that just staying afloat and making a few bucks off what we have is challenging enough.  It must be different for every club/market, yet, after pondering the problem for many years, I've got many ideas but few viable solutions.  The good news is we're still here with a geezer system that has components that are over 40 years old.  You already got the bad news about sustainable golf.  It's really, really hard to pull off as a business.         

RDecker

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Re: Irrigation Systems
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2015, 05:55:14 AM »
The Pump station is the heart of a good irrigation system so make sure you take a good look at that aspect too.  It's a good place
to add/increase efficiency and improve system performance.  The new VFD style pumps can really deliver the right amount of water
to a property without any wasted effort and without beating up your pipes with unnecessary pressure spikes at start up...

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