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mark chalfant

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Sleepy Hollow and Chagrin in Ohio
« on: September 16, 2003, 10:39:21 PM »
Does anyone know these courses.......

some interesting architecture ?

Tim_Weiman

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Re:Sleepy Hollow and Chagrin in Ohio
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2003, 11:02:20 PM »
Mark,

I'm not exactly sure what course you mean by Chagrin, but am well familiar with Sleepy Hollow, a Stanley Thompson design and former private club that is now part of the Cleveland Metroparks system.

Sleepy Hollow is also known as the former home of Charlie Sifford who served as pro while his wife collected green fees. Apparently she recently passed away, but she's someone I will always remember as the pain of discrimination didn't seem to bite her like it obviously did Charlie.

But what about the architecture? I used to play the course quite often twenty years ago. The course has an interesting variety of holes, is fairly nice to walk and used to have wicked fast greens. I mention the latter as a virtue only because there were numerous shots where shot placement was critical (e.g., don't dare miss left on right on #1 - you had to be just short and trickle on for any chance at par).

Sleepy Hollow didn't necessarily pressure golfer of the tee. There was plenty of width. But, one couldn't plan on making up shots around the greens. The place was a serious test of both putting and little recovery shots.

Sleepy Hollow was also nice back then because one could almost always walk on without much of a wait. That has changed dramatically. In the past five years demand for the course has grown dramatically, so much so that I've only played it maybe once during that period.

Playing conditions have also changed. No longer are the greens wicked fast and, on the whole, the green complexes are more forgiving as a result. I';m told - though I haven't seen it with my own eyes - that one of the par 3 greens was softened significantly in the name of pace of play. I believe this now plays as #8 and can personally testify to the fact that circa 1980, this green was unbelievably difficult to putt if you put your tee shot in the wrong position, i.e., above the hole. Too bad for this change. Brutal, yes. But, a real test of shotmaking.

Sleepy Hollow stands with Manakiki (a Donald Ross design) as the gems of the Cleveland Metroparks system. No, they are not in the class of Bethpage Black, but they are damn nice affordable golf (est. $25/18 holes). Indeed that may be the best thing about golf in Ohio: it's loaded with Mom and Pops where you'll find good - not great, but good - very affordable golf, the antithesis of the CCFAD phenomenom which basically never made much penetration of the Ohio market. Ohioans with their wealth of Mom and Pops weren't likely to get sucked into the idea of a $100 green fee.
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