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jeffwarne

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Re: The latest iconic hole
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2021, 12:39:10 PM »
Icon8c to golf fans?
The Bear Trap  ::) ::)


Irconic to GCAers?


The ones Tom mentioned or 14 thru 18 at Friars.
Perhaps 16-17 at Cabot Cliffs.
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Jeff Schley

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Re: The latest iconic hole
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2021, 12:59:36 PM »
Some others that because they lack TV exposure understandably won't garner the attention the others would.
  • Oak Quarry in So Cal par 3, 14th.

  • Cape Wickham 18th beautiful par 4 finisher around the ocean.

  • Agree with Kapalua 18th

  • Agree Whistling Straits 17

  • Friars Head 15th

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Dan_Callahan

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Re: The latest iconic hole
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2021, 01:46:46 PM »
If we are talking iconic to GCAers, I think the view standing on the 1st tee of Tobacco Road is one of the most recognizable/iconic of just about any modern course short of the 17th at TPC. Impossible to confuse that view with anywhere else.

Thomas Dai

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Re: The latest iconic hole
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2021, 03:28:17 AM »
I wonder if in a couple of years time a hole or more from Lido Wisconsin mightn’t be considered. Presupposing it’s Long Island etc etc forefather-ship wouldn’t rule it out.
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Niall C

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Re: The latest iconic hole
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2021, 05:16:08 AM »
Back in the day the Road Hole and the Redan became iconic because golfers played them; talked about them; studied them; and in with regards the main golf writers wrote about them repeatedly. Now, judging from this thread, it seems to become iconic you just need a pretty backdrop.

Niall

Anthony Gray

Re: The latest iconic hole
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2021, 02:18:09 PM »
Back in the day the Road Hole and the Redan became iconic because golfers played them; talked about them; studied them; and in with regards the main golf writers wrote about them repeatedly. Now, judging from this thread, it seems to become iconic you just need a pretty backdrop.

Niall


 Great point. Location Location Location   Surroundings can greatly enhance the golf experience and perception of the quality of a hole,and the course overall. The golf experience is so much more than downs and distance and on base percentage. The road hole does have a unique backdrop which makes that hole. That’s why they put the storage barn back for the tee shot to keep that feeling. And they kept the road.

Thomas Dai

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Re: The latest iconic hole
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2021, 02:52:52 PM »
TOC 17th - have a look at what they were playing over on the 17th in the 1970 Open at StA and also the condition of the road back then - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NGHO1GmMD6k
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Rick Shefchik

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Re: The latest iconic hole
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2021, 04:25:41 PM »
Back in the day the Road Hole and the Redan became iconic because golfers played them; talked about them; studied them; and in with regards the main golf writers wrote about them repeatedly. Now, judging from this thread, it seems to become iconic you just need a pretty backdrop.

Niall


 Great point. Location Location Location   Surroundings can greatly enhance the golf experience and perception of the quality of a hole,and the course overall. The golf experience is so much more than downs and distance and on base percentage. The road hole does have a unique backdrop which makes that hole. That’s why they put the storage barn back for the tee shot to keep that feeling. And they kept the road.


Regarding 16 at Bandon Dunes, the ocean on the right makes certainly makes the hole more memorable, but isn't that part of what we're talking about? Put that hole on identical inland topography (with woods, waste area, even a pond) substituting for the ocean, and there's no way you pucker up as much on the tee - and it's doubtful that you instantly recall the hole several years after playing it.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: The latest iconic hole
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2021, 08:55:08 PM »
What if you play a course made of "iconic" holes and one that is not one of "iconic" holes turns out to be the most memorable? Does that almost automatically qualify it as "iconic"?

I am referring to seven at the fourth course at Bandon of course - Old MacDonald.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: The latest iconic hole
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2021, 08:59:39 PM »
I guess my previous post would raise 16 at Black Mesa to iconic land. Far fewer people will see it compared to Old MacDonald.
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Jerry Rossi

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Re: The latest iconic hole
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2021, 12:45:39 AM »
If social media has any say - 16 at Sleepy Hollow is in the mix.
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Tim Gallant

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Re: The latest iconic hole
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2021, 04:22:57 AM »
I'd imagine the new par 5 at Portrush will one day reach icon status. With the Open set to go there more and more, and it being photogenic, I'd think more and more will associate The Open with that hole.

Dan_Callahan

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Re: The latest iconic hole
« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2021, 08:30:58 AM »
I'd imagine the new par 5 at Portrush will one day reach icon status. With the Open set to go there more and more, and it being photogenic, I'd think more and more will associate The Open with that hole.


I will forever associate that hole with David Duval. I stood on that tee and had a front row seat to his 13. Easily the most awkward, uncomfortable moment I’ve ever experienced on a golf course. He handled it about as well as a person can.

Gib_Papazian

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« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2021, 05:14:37 PM »
First off, it is lovely having our prodigal oral surgeon back in the Treehouse - particularly because my table in the Faculty Lounge has more gravestones than chairs these days. Luckily, I've got an open channel to the entire Mucci clan, but you cannot really have a beer with my favorite icon on Zoom.


Speaking of, "Iconic holes" . . . . hmmmm.


Rather than identify a hole as "iconic" exclusively out of some visceral groupthink consensus, I reserve a special sub-category for complex strategic designs that set my brain into cognitive dissonance.


In other words, holes that - no matter how many times I play them - I cannot reach a conclusion on the best way to play them.


It seems the Bandon complex has more than its share of holes that drive me so mad, I'm prone to changing my mind in the middle of my backswing.


Yet these are the holes I invariably find most interesting - although there must be a component of masochistic futility in the same way I cannot seem to beat a computer at chess, but keep trying in the hope I'll eventually outsmart it.


#5 and #16 at Bandon, #2 and the deviously evil #16 at Pac Dunes - although #7 gets my goat every time, too. #14 at Trails is an obvious choice although I lack sufficient intellectual horsepower to make par on #8.


But those holes strike me as - at least - *intellectually* iconic.


It occurs to me #12 at TOC falls into that category . . . . . even the caddies cannot agree on how to attack it. 


I'll get to Old Mac later  . . . . . there should be little mystery because I've written a chapter on every single Macdonald template hole in detail, except my lowest score is still my maiden voyage - likely because I was playing with TD for part of the course and had Uncle George talking me through each hole the next day.


On the same minor key note, my lowest score at NGLA (1988) by five shots was also the first go-round, but I had Timmonds leading me around by my big Armenian nose; left to my own devices, without being shepherded by the diminutive shepherd, I've never broken 80.   
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