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Steve Okula

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Re: Construction/Grow-in Pics Patagonia
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2014, 11:32:49 AM »
An interesting plus to the project is that 100% of irrigation is by gravity, not a single pump involved.


I managed a course in the Canary islands with a gravity fed irrigation system and absolutely loved it. You can't beat gravity for dependability.

Unfortunately, the same course also had bentgrass on volcanic sand-based greens, as you describe there. Have you had any issues with the sand? Are you using any amendments?
The small wheel turns by the fire and rod,
the big wheel turns by the grace of God.

MClutterbuck

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Re: Construction/Grow-in Pics Patagonia
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2014, 11:40:15 AM »
My sons and I drove from Puerto Montt, Chile to Bariloche about 10 years ago and must have been within 50 miles of this site at some point in the trip.  Correct?  Very beautiful country.   

Dave, depends on the route taken, you might have passed as far as 70 miles from the site or much closer.

MClutterbuck

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Re: Construction/Grow-in Pics Patagonia
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2014, 11:41:00 AM »
Marcus,
I have a course in my mind for your neighborhood.   :)   Can't wait!
Merry Christmas, my friend.


Someday! Merry Xmas to you and hope you have a great 2015.
M

MClutterbuck

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Re: Construction/Grow-in Pics Patagonia
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2014, 11:42:48 AM »
Looking great! Hopefully will be there in Feb and if your available, love to tour it with you!

Randy, let me know when you are there. It will be a pleasure to play a round with you if I am down south.

M

MClutterbuck

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Re: Construction/Grow-in Pics Patagonia
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2014, 11:53:25 AM »
An interesting plus to the project is that 100% of irrigation is by gravity, not a single pump involved.


I managed a course in the Canary islands with a gravity fed irrigation system and absolutely loved it. You can't beat gravity for dependability.

Unfortunately, the same course also had bentgrass on volcanic sand-based greens, as you describe there. Have you had any issues with the sand? Are you using any amendments?

Steve, we have had no issues with the sand other than it blowing away during seeding and initial grow-in. What issues did you encounter? Will be interesting to know.

As a side note, Canary Islands have an average temperature 11 degrees Celsius higher than San Martin de los Andes, that has cool nights even in summer. I can see the difficulty of maintaining healthy bent over dark sand.

MClutterbuck

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Re: Construction/Grow-in Pics Patagonia
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2014, 12:01:36 PM »
Paul, maybe selectively in some areas, but nothing major is planned. This hole has between 80 and 90 yards of width between trees. I dont think they are in play at all. M

I was actually thinking of those pictures of the 8th. Again, it's not that it looks narrow but I have visions of a player carving one out right and, despiter remaining on the short stuff, having to flick a wedge back in to play due to the pines.

Paul, on 8, I think the photo perspective might be misleading. If you are on the fairway short of the pine trees that stand out on the right, there is probably 0 chance you could reach the green, and you surely have a full shot of about 300 yards to the left side of the fairway, uphill, wind against. I don't think there is an issue with trees there at all. I will try to post another picture of 8.

MClutterbuck

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Re: Construction/Grow-in Pics Patagonia
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2014, 12:04:25 PM »
#8, Par 5, 541 yards


Steve Okula

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Re: Construction/Grow-in Pics Patagonia
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2014, 12:15:35 PM »
An interesting plus to the project is that 100% of irrigation is by gravity, not a single pump involved.


I managed a course in the Canary islands with a gravity fed irrigation system and absolutely loved it. You can't beat gravity for dependability.

Unfortunately, the same course also had bentgrass on volcanic sand-based greens, as you describe there. Have you had any issues with the sand? Are you using any amendments?

Steve, we have had no issues with the sand other than it blowing away during seeding and initial grow-in. What issues did you encounter? Will be interesting to know.

As a side note, Canary Islands have an average temperature 11 degrees Celsius higher than San Martin de los Andes, that has cool nights even in summer. I can see the difficulty of maintaining healthy bent over dark sand.

Mainly the Canary Island (Tenerife) sand was too coarse. There was no natural sand on the island (and precious little good topsoil for that matter). Good sand was prohibitively expensive to import, so all the golf courses were using a crushed volcanic rock known locally as picón. The problem was nobody was crushing it finely enough, so what we could get drained wonderfully but had like zero holding capacity. Organic amendments were likewise expensive to get hold of, so they were often omitted as well. The picón would have worked great for bermudagrass greens like Tifdwarf  (I proved it by establishing a small nursery to demonstrate) but back then the Spanish stubbornly refused to consider anything but bentgrass for green surfaces, even in a sub-tropical climate like Tenerife, where the bermuda never even went completely dormant.

Probably your volcanic material is better than what we had.
The small wheel turns by the fire and rod,
the big wheel turns by the grace of God.

MClutterbuck

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Re: Construction/Grow-in Pics Patagonia
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2014, 12:42:55 PM »


Mainly the Canary Island (Tenerife) sand was too coarse. There was no natural sand on the island (and precious little good topsoil for that matter). Good sand was prohibitively expensive to import, so all the golf courses were using a crushed volcanic rock known locally as picón. The problem was nobody was crushing it finely enough, so what we could get drained wonderfully but had like zero holding capacity. Organic amendments were likewise expensive to get hold of, so they were often omitted as well. The picón would have worked great for bermudagrass greens like Tifdwarf  (I proved it by establishing a small nursery to demonstrate) but back then the Spanish stubbornly refused to consider anything but bentgrass for green surfaces, even in a sub-tropical climate like Tenerife, where the bermuda never even went completely dormant.

Probably your volcanic material is better than what we had.


Our sand is actually really fine, blows off easily with the wind. In the last volcanic eruption we had some of it dumped 1000 miles away in Buenos Aires! Summer is just starting, and we do get temperatures in the 90s with little humidity in the air and wind. Fortunately nights cool off quite a bit.

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