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JHoulihan

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Mowing between tees and fairways
« on: August 24, 2014, 10:46:38 PM »
I have been walking courses since highschool and shooting 100+ Now I am walking about 80-90 % of the time and shooting to 10.3 index. I know that many here including Jim Colton and many other HHH hikers are doing some serious miles on course. I am curious about a few questions for those that walk specifically. 1) Do you carry bag/use push cart/both 2) Do some/most/all course that you remember have mowing paths between tees and fairways 3) Does it really matter if there is a walkable path in this space unless you are walking more than 18 holes in a row 4) Do you think that all courses should spend the time doing this extra mowing pass 5) Does the amount of course walkers/riders determine if this is done or is it up to the daily maintenance staff

1) Push cart 80%/ride 20%
2) Most have and seems especially nice when rough is long/wet
3) I think it matters
4) Yes if they have more anywhere near full tee sheet
5) Hope to get more feedback about this especially those who help make this decision

Bill_McBride

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Re: Mowing between tees and fairways
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2014, 10:52:40 PM »
I have been walking courses since highschool and shooting 100+ Now I am walking about 80-90 % of the time and shooting to 10.3 index. I know that many here including Jim Colton and many other HHH hikers are doing some serious miles on course. I am curious about a few questions for those that walk specifically. 1) Do you carry bag/use push cart/both 2) Do some/most/all course that you remember have mowing paths between tees and fairways 3) Does it really matter if there is a walkable path in this space unless you are walking more than 18 holes in a row 4) Do you think that all courses should spend the time doing this extra mowing pass 5) Does the amount of course walkers/riders determine if this is done or is it up to the daily maintenance staff

1) Push cart 80%/ride 20%
2) Most have and seems especially nice when rough is long/wet
3) I think it matters
4) Yes if they have more anywhere near full tee sheet
5) Hope to get more feedback about this especially those who help make this decision

I love a nicely mown walking path from tee to fairway, whether I am packing or pushing.  

Sometimes walking paths are interesting, such as those at Apache Stronghold.    If you ride, the cart paths are circuitous.  If you walk, you dive straight off the front of the tee into the desert.   A few times there was an Indiana Jones flavor to the experience.  "Did it have to be snakes?"
« Last Edit: August 25, 2014, 07:58:45 AM by Bill_McBride »

mike_beene

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Re: Mowing between tees and fairways
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2014, 11:45:28 PM »
Walk 99% of time.(100 degrees F or a guest somewhere where host wants to ride being the exceptions).Push cart 90  % of time?Carry once in a while. Caddy walks are very important for push cart. Plateaued tees with drop offs are the worst especially if you are not paying attention. Also, when dew is out especially important to have the cut of grass from tee.Every course I play has the cut to the fairway.

David_Tepper

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Re: Mowing between tees and fairways
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2014, 08:52:20 AM »
I walk & carry probably 98% of the rounds I play. In the San Francisco area, where the grass can be very wet in the mornings due to the summer fog, a path cut thru the rough from tee to fairway is very much appreciated. It helps to keep my shoes and the bottoms of my pants from get soaked.   

John Crowley

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Re: Mowing between tees and fairways
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2014, 09:48:29 AM »
My home club has a strong walking ethos. We own very few buggies. Caddie paths from tees to fairways are well maintained. We also maintain caddie paths from greens to the next tee. In many instances multiple paths through our prairie grass plantings to the various tees on the next hole.

I carry 90%, have a caddie 5%, and push a cart 5%.

Ian Mackenzie

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Re: Mowing between tees and fairways
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 10:59:24 AM »
I walk 99% of the time.
Caddy 90%, carry 9%.

Wouldnt be caught dead with a pull/push cart...;-) Have a great "Sunday bag" and I put 12 clubs in it and much prefer that to the emasculating sight of a trolley...;-)

Ride only if i play with guest who needs to ride.

Re. paths from tee to fairway: AKA "Courtesy cut" or "Hogan path"....we got rid of them last year. I think our consulting architect called them a visual distraction or something.

Edward Moody

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Re: Mowing between tees and fairways
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2014, 12:06:49 PM »
The summer is fairly brutal in Austin so I ride Jun-Sep (yesterday it was 105).  I typically walk Oct through May, however.  I carry a single strap sunday bag.  Sometimes I throw 14 clubs in, sometimes I take 8 or 9 clubs.  Only other weight is a sleeve of balls, bottle of water, and a yardage gun.  I wrenched my back one round from bending over and grabbing the strap all day so now I have a little move where I use the club I just hit to hook the strap and bring it up to waist high.

Anyway, we have native grass between the tees at fairways but there are walking paths cut through them on every hole.  They look great.  They can also withstand trolley traffic as several of our walkers take push carts.

Paul Gray

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Re: Mowing between tees and fairways
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2014, 12:33:02 PM »
Man takes route of least resistance. Over time man creates a natural walkway. That's about as much manicuring as I like, thank you very much.
In the places where golf cuts through pretension and elitism, it thrives and will continue to thrive because the simple virtues of the game and its attendant culture are allowed to be most apparent. - Tim Gavrich

A.G._Crockett

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Re: Mowing between tees and fairways
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2014, 01:26:41 PM »
1. Both.  I prefer to carry, but use my push cart when I have a lot to carry (raingear, cold weather, etc.) or am playing a lot during extremely hot weather.

2. I don't think most courses have a walking path between tees and the fairway.  My club does, and all of the walkers really, really appreciate it.

3. It does matter if the grass is wet either early in the morning or due to rain, and it is at least marginally easier to push the cart as well.

4. It would be nice if all courses did this, but it'll never happen so I don't worry about it.

5. This was a decision our super made in conjunction with the head pro and at the urging of some of the walkers.  My club really has a very small percentage of walkers vs. riding, so I consider the path to be a very nice gesture from the club to the few of us that walk.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Sean_A

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Re: Mowing between tees and fairways
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2014, 01:34:05 PM »
In England it is very common to have prepared paths between tees and greens, though many courses do not have them and may have cut paths.  I like either very much especially if some thought has gone into their placement.  However, I think what has generallly happened is people created a direct path so clubs formalized these paths so sometimes paths can compromise a very peaceful scene. 

Walk 99.9%
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Mowing between tees and fairways
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2014, 01:49:09 PM »
More and more firm/solid surface paths seem to be happening. I especially dislike brick paving. Okay for soft spike wearing, less so for those of us who still like to wear metal spikes.
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Jay Mickle

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Re: Mowing between tees and fairways
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2014, 02:15:35 PM »
I walk and carry except when required to ride. Pine Needles has nice paths on all but one hole and Mid Pines has them on most but the others are just a walk through sandy waste areas. The Dormie Club has many paths, not grassed or even apparent to walking golfers, some barely passable even. These were the paths made by caddies at the inception of the club and surely cut down the distance from green to tee on many of the holes.
I think that mown paths are probably more appreciated by those who push. I will usually find the shortest route. This is not always possible at housing development courses where the walk from green to tee is half a mile down an asphalt road.

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mike_beene

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Re: Mowing between tees and fairways
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2014, 03:01:27 PM »
And I will add that the worst thing for push carts is curb happy cart paths. Get tired of bumping up and down. One club I know must have had a curbing contractor on the board.

Wayne_Kozun

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Re: Mowing between tees and fairways
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2014, 03:13:56 PM »
I walk and carry 80% of the time and ride the rest. I prefer the freedom of carrying vs push cart as you can go anywhere on the course without worry. My home club is very hilly and I don't like lugging the cart up and down hills. It also burns more calories to carry.

My club does have a walking cut  - a story I have heard credit Ben Hogan with is idea.   Most of the other courses I play do have paths cut - most of them are private clubs and have a primarily walking culture.

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