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Wyatt Halliday

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2013, 12:27:24 AM »
Possible revision would be Dormie 6 in the par 5 category.

Mark Saltzman

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2013, 08:44:58 AM »
Possible revision would be Dormie 6 in the par 5 category.

Wyatt with choices like 6 at Pinehurst and 6 at Dormie you are obviously a man who favors subtlety.  What did you think of 10-11 at Streamsong Blue?

Wyatt Halliday

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2013, 04:49:55 PM »
Mark,

I really like the tapering effect of the sixth at Dormie. If you cream one of the tee, eagle is a very real possibility. If not, you want to be as close to the green as possible on the second shot given the fallaway nature of the green and how well it is protected.

The first time I played the eleventh at the Blue, I joked to a playing companion that this is the easiest looking approach we had encountered all day (we were in a small swale about 175 out). I knew there was something crazy in store at the green, we just couldn't see it. What we did see were two well played shots take their first violent bounce high and right. We laughed and made mental notes. The next two times playing the eleventh made me question how to play the approach more than any other on the course (with the possible exception of the eighteenth). The hole is a great equalizer, which basically means that I will lose bets to higher handicap players 75% of the time!

I'm still thinking about the tenth...I'll get back to you.

Mac Plumart

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2013, 06:38:30 PM »
Doak--

Par 3--5 Streamsong Blue
Par 4--6 Pacific Dunes
Par 5--8 Ballyneal


Coore and Crenshaw--

Par 3--5 Bandon Trails
Par 4--7 Sand Hills
Par 5--7 Streamsong Red


Pete Dye

Par 3--17 Harbour Town
Par 4--2 The Golf Club
Par 5--2 Kiawah Ocean


Donald Ross

Par 3--9 Pinehurst #2
Par 4--7 Inverness
Par 5--15 Augusta CC


More to come (dinner time now)
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Greg McMullin

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2013, 06:48:09 PM »
Stanley Thompson:
Par 3: Number 17 - Cape Breton Highlands Links
Par 4: Number 2  -   "       "          "            "
Par 5: Number 7 -    "       "          "            "

PS: I might be a little subjective.

Mark Saltzman

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2013, 06:53:47 PM »

More to come (dinner time now)

wtf, you're still hungry?  ;D

For reference, what C&C courses have you played? 7 at Streamsong is a surprising choice to me.  All of the par-5s at Sand Hills are just so damned good.  Ditto 7 and 14 at Friar's.  And 17 Dormie.

Mac Plumart

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2013, 07:18:23 PM »

More to come (dinner time now)

wtf, you're still hungry?  ;D

For reference, what C&C courses have you played? 7 at Streamsong is a surprising choice to me.  All of the par-5s at Sand Hills are just so damned good.  Ditto 7 and 14 at Friar's.  And 17 Dormie.

Re dinner...had a coke and talked with family while they ate, you guessed it, Moe's.   :)

Re C&C...I've played Streamsong, Sand Hills, Cuscowilla, Bandon Trails, Dormie, Chechessee.


MacRaynor...

Par 3...7 Chicago Golf Club
Par 4...3 Fishers Island
Par 5...18 National Golf Links


Nicklaus...

Par 3...3 Dismal River
Par 4...13 Dismal River
Par 5...9 Dismal River


Arthur Hills...

Par 3...(I'm stuck on this one, can't think of one that really sticks out)
Par 4...14 Olde Stone
Par 5...11 Golf Club of GA Lakeside


Tom Fazio

Par 3...17 Black Diamond Ranch Quarry
Par 4...15 Shadow Creek
Par 5...4 World Woods Pine Barrens
« Last Edit: February 17, 2013, 07:09:54 AM by Mac Plumart »
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Keith OHalloran

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2013, 07:20:00 PM »
Mac,
Did you mislabel the Sbonack hole?

Mac Plumart

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2013, 07:22:21 PM »
Yep...thanks Keith.  Let me fix it.

Fixed...clean sweep for Dismal.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Mac Plumart

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2013, 10:55:10 PM »
Rees Jones:

Par 3...7 Cascata
Par 4...3 East Lake
Par 5...2 Piedmont Driving Club (I struggled coming up with one here)


Old Tom Morris...

Par 3...13 Crail Balcomie
Par 4...8 Muirfield (is this Colt or Old Tom?)
Par 5...12 Askernish


Mike Strantz...

Par 3...14 True Blue
Par 4...13 Caledonia
Par 5...11 Tobacco Road
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Mark Saltzman

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2013, 11:03:49 PM »
Mac, how about 10 at The Bridge?

Mac Plumart

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2013, 11:06:54 PM »
You are probably right, Mark.  But I can't recall The Bridge very well.  I watched as a few guys played it as I was having some leg issues.  I remember some good holes, but I can't properly place them in terms of their sequence...plus we started on the back.  I'm a little messed up on that course in terms of specifics.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Mark Pritchett

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2013, 11:27:06 PM »
#10 at The Bridge is a solid Par 5, but I would have to give the nod to the closing hole at Briar's Creek. 

Mark Pritchett

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2013, 11:41:23 PM »
My C&C Par 4 might very well be the 5th at Cuscowilla.  Hard to argue with any of the Par 5's at Sand Hills. 


Wyatt Halliday

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2013, 11:53:07 PM »
You are probably right, Mark.  But I can't recall The Bridge very well.  I watched as a few guys played it as I was having some leg issues.  I remember some good holes, but I can't properly place them in terms of their sequence...plus we started on the back.  I'm a little messed up on that course in terms of specifics.

"Miggity" Mac,

Out of curiosity, how long has it been since you played The Bridge?

Jim Nugent

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2013, 12:32:27 AM »
Mac, isn't #4 at NGLA the Redan? 

Mac Plumart

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2013, 07:06:23 AM »
Wyatt...last October.

Jim...Whoops!  Fixed.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Wyatt Halliday

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2013, 12:53:59 AM »
Thanks Mac, just wanted your thoughts on the subtle transformation taking place there. I really enjoyed my time there, but it was greatly enhanced by the company I kept.

archie_struthers

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2013, 07:40:08 AM »
 ??? ??? ??? ;D


George Crump


Pine  Valley.

#2 and # 8.   The master of the short par four

Thomas Dai

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2013, 03:28:42 PM »
I think I recall reading somewhere that Simpson considered the 8th and 18th at Cruden Bay to be two of his best holes. I've certainly always liked and respected them, the 18th with it's green that runs away from you and normally plays with the wind behind, and the 8th, which I recall needed a fairway rebuild in the mid 80's after a huge deluge ran down the side of Cardiac Hill and washed away large section of the fairway.

I guess it's now kind of difficult to believe as these two holes are maybe some of the lessor holes if you play today at CB with modern clubs and balls.
However, I remember playing these holes with persimmon and blades and older soft balata style balls and these holes were indeed tough, so what it must have been like when the course was laid out with hickory shafts and ancient balls in mind. Interesting to speculate. Then again I guess you could say the same for all the older classic courses, say the ones designed and built before WWII.

All the best.

PS - as an aside, I remember 25+ years ago playing the 8th in a competition and a playing partner, using persimmon not titanium, sliced his tee shot miles right onto the side of the hill. We found his ball within the 5 minutes set aside, but then took several more minutes to find where he'd laid his carry bag down (no stand bags then!). You can't beat the rough at CB!

Wade Schueneman

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Re: Best holes by Architect
« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2013, 09:07:20 PM »
Although I have not played them, I would have thought that 11 at Plainfield and 11 at Essex County would be on some of the Ross lists.

Also, I am interested to see it anyone shows any love to #1 at NGLA for CBM.  In my opinion it is all world.  For all of you architects who believe in template holes, please add that hole (and #7 at Crystal) to the repertoire and come build a few versions in Georgia.

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