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Jim_Kennedy

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Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« on: February 17, 2013, 01:20:22 PM »
Pure Joy.

« Last Edit: February 17, 2013, 01:24:54 PM by Jim_Kennedy »
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Tim Martin

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2013, 01:55:32 PM »
It's pretty clear he didn't just pony up $12 bucks for a Deal dog.

Scott Warren

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2013, 01:58:02 PM »
Great pic, Jim.

After a near three-year absence, I'll once again tee it up at RCP in August and I imagine that may well be what my face looks like then!

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2013, 02:09:40 PM »
Tim,
Only $.67 in 1917 bucks, such a deal.   ;)

Scott,
Lucky you.  ;D

I love the expression on his face. Looks like a brisk wind and nippy temp added to his enjoyment. 

I'd be displaying this photo in a prominent place if it was taken at my club. 
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

V. Kmetz

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2013, 02:10:30 PM »
JK (and all)

Have you ever read the Ouimet-penned:

"Across the Street from The Country Club"

which appears in The Complete Golfer by HWW.

what a great read!

cheers

vk
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

Joe Bausch

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2013, 02:22:12 PM »
What is the object just to the left of the fellow holding the golf club in his right hand?

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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2013, 02:43:25 PM »
Joe,
Don't know, maybe a combination tee marker/card holder?

Probably as unusual an object, there's a lefty in the group.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2013, 02:46:32 PM by Jim_Kennedy »
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Colin Macqueen

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2013, 03:07:43 PM »
Joe B,

I wonder if it isn't the receptacle where golfers once placed their golf ball to indicate their position in the queue as far as teeing off order was concerned.

Ouimet's expression is one of unbridled joy!

Cheers Colin
"Golf, thou art a gentle sprite, I owe thee much"
The Hielander

Joe Bausch

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2013, 03:33:49 PM »
It looks as if he hit a stray one and left out a combination of a loud gasp / rye grin.

Or maybe he was cold and one of his partners indicated they have rye gin.   ;)
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2013, 03:35:24 PM »
I think it is a box for sand used to build a platform from which to hit your tee ball.
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

Dave McCollum

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2013, 03:40:33 PM »
I was going to say a sandbox, also, before Dick beat me to it.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2013, 03:46:06 PM »
Dave, you probably know that RTJjr (or was it Rees?) asked if one way to combat crazy distance results from technology off the tee ball was to  reinstitute use of sand platforms and outlaw wood tees!  ;D
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Dave McCollum

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2013, 01:44:29 AM »
Dick,

Hadn’t heard that.  I’m  not a technology hater.  I basically believe that anything that makes the game easier for the everyday golfer is to be encouraged.  To base the rules and equipment on the guys playing on TV is ridiculous.  Different game, different conditions of competition.   Let folks play golf, enjoy golf, and don’t sweat the small stuff.  Let’s call a spade a spade.  Any club golfer, no matter how good they are or think they are, and any club golf pro, no matter how good or think they are, can’t be discussed in the same conversation with a touring pro.  End of story.  Don’t waste time, effort, or money on changing golf courses for tour pros.  Change the local rules for those extremely limited competitions.  If a guy is good enough to play tour golf, then play it under tour conditions on our regular golf courses.  Limit the elite golfers’ balls and equipment as needed to match the best courses as they were meant to be played and let everyone else play this impossible game as well as they can.

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2013, 02:36:17 AM »
Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy of this image for display?
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Jud_T

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2013, 08:40:39 AM »
Is that a bit of a reverse pivot he's working there?
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2013, 09:04:57 AM »
Mark,
Here's the article, w/photo, from 1914.

http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/GolfIllustrated/1914/gi3f.pdf

Jud,
No, I don't think so. Here's his swing in 'action'

"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Paul Gray

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2013, 09:08:46 AM »
I'll wager he's just hit a controlled fade.
In the places where golf cuts through pretension and elitism, it thrives and will continue to thrive because the simple virtues of the game and its attendant culture are allowed to be most apparent. - Tim Gavrich

Dave McCollum

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2013, 01:11:57 PM »
Wow.  Then camera angle might be a little behind the ball position, exaggerating how far up in his stance the ball was and how far behind the ball his hands were at address, but he does get the hands ahead of the ball at impact.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2013, 01:34:21 PM »
Dave,
Take a couple of minutes to read this. In the photos you'll see Duncan has the same initial set up and ball position as Ouimet, but Duncan's legs have driven well ahead of his torso, and towards the target, at impact. In the text he mentions the ball's position at address as 1" inside the left heel. He also talks about Ouimet's 'loose' iron shots, and how Francis tightened them up, presumably by learning "The Master Shot", as described by Duncan.
    
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/GolfIllustrated/1915/gi31o.pdf


Edit: wait'll you see the golf shaft on the way down, pg.2  :o
« Last Edit: February 19, 2013, 01:48:23 PM by Jim_Kennedy »
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Bill_McBride

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2013, 06:36:05 PM »
Dave,
Take a couple of minutes to read this. In the photos you'll see Duncan has the same initial set up and ball position as Ouimet, but Duncan's legs have driven well ahead of his torso, and towards the target, at impact. In the text he mentions the ball's position at address as 1" inside the left heel. He also talks about Ouimet's 'loose' iron shots, and how Francis tightened them up, presumably by learning "The Master Shot", as described by Duncan.
    
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/GolfIllustrated/1915/gi31o.pdf


Edit: wait'll you see the golf shaft on the way down, pg.2  :o

That shaft bend is one reason it's so much fun to play with hickories!

Looks like one of the stack and tilt guys spent some time with Mr Ouimet with that weight distribution half way back. 

Cool article, thanks Jim.

David Harshbarger

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2013, 08:09:47 PM »
Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy of this image for display?

Mark, I just copied the image off of the post and made it my desktop wallpaper.  As for a printed image, I assume this is all public domain, but based on scans of paper magazines, not of negatives.  I'd try to get the best quality off the link, or, see if you can find a professional who has tools that can get a high resolution image from the same source that they can print on appropriate media.
The trouble with modern equipment and distance—and I don't see anyone pointing this out—is that it robs from the player's experience. - Mickey Wright

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2013, 10:34:32 PM »
Bill,
It is a cool article. Who knew stack and tilt was 'old'.  ;)

David,
No wallpaper, but I did print the image and have it hanging above my screen.

The smile on his face is infectious.  My wife's face (she who knows nothing of Ouimet) lit up when she saw it.   
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Dave McCollum

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Re: Think This Guy Loved The Game?
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2013, 01:54:31 AM »
Jim,

Thanks for that.  Fascinating piece that did describe perfectly the Ouimet swing.  Indeed, weight on the left side with the left heel 2” in the air and the weight on the ball of the left big toe?    Reminds me of the time that I thought I ought to learn a pre-swing waggle.  I thought that Hogan may have said something about the waggle in his Five Fundamentals book written with Herb Wind.  I dug out my copy and found the passage.  Five pages on how to waggle the club!  Whoa, way too much information, dude. 

I understood perfectly what Duncan saying with his precise description of technique.  I’m not convinced it is any more helpful to the amateur golfer than the glut of instructional articles that fill our contemporary golf magazines.  Go out to hit an iron shot with that pre-shot checklist, the guy to your right on the practice tee better have his insurance paid up.  I learned the game as middle-aged, out-of-shape, overly-intellectual, problem-solver.  My battle has been to remove my brain from the process.  What were you thinking about on that shot?  Nothing.  Perfect.

Interesting enough, I’ve seen that shaft flex on video capture frames with guys using graphite shafts and metal drivers.  I think it is the result of poor weight shift—arm swings—and timing getting the weight on the left side, resulting in the loss of power.  This, the expert opinion of a hack golfer with an over active brain.

Thanks for the Duncan article.  I love the old guy’s views.  My personal favorites are about greenskeeping.  They are almost mystical.  Then you read Don Mahaffey and you say “now wait a minute, I’ve heard this somewhere before…”

What was this thread all about?  Oh yeah, the joy on a golfer’s face.  My apologies.

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