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Adam Clayman

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The Dunes Project @ Lake Mac ; More in the Mecca
« on: July 19, 2011, 03:58:11 PM »
Had the great pleasure to tour the Dunes Project near Bayside on Lake McConaughy here in Ogallala today, with our own Kevin Atkinson. Kevin has been partners with Rick Phelps ever since Rick's dad, Dick, retired (and maybe earlier) Kevin is a native Nebraskan, studied architecture at UNL (that's U of Nebraska @ Lincoln for all you city folk), worked with Landscapes Unlimited as well as a host of other interesting CV items. He's in town this summer creating just two holes to try and help launch a project, that has been many years in the making. The following is the only phone pic I took of either the 5th or the 6th hole. A short par 4. You can see the green in the distance where the sand is a different color. The site is blessed with water views, undulating movements, in all directions, and is for the most part sand. Anyone coming to play Bayside this year or next would do well to see this site before it gets going. there's just something special about touring the raw land before the holes are uncovered. And believe me, Kevin is only going to uncover the holes, very little construction.

"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: The Dunes Project @ Lake Mac ; More in the Mecca
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2011, 04:25:02 PM »
Good luck Kevin
I hope those 2 holes are the kick it deserves
How many years has it been?
Cheers
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Eric Smith

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Re: The Dunes Project @ Lake Mac ; More in the Mecca
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2011, 05:00:01 PM »
Sounds (and looks) good, Adam and good luck to Kevin! I'm guessing that this on the same side of the lake as Bayside? Closer to the dam or on the other side of Bayside?

Mecca is right, because Lake McConaughy is awesome! I tell you, coming up on it after driving a good while along the prairies and the sand hills, it's like WOW! and then crossing over it is really something. Beautiful seeing the water. Looks like everyone's having fun there when its 100 degrees out! What's cool is you can't see the end of it when trying to look out over your shoulder, navigating across the dam. I looked to my right for a nanosecond and decided enough with the joy watching! :o Yikes. I trust this project will be a welcomed addition to what appears to be a thriving recreation area there in Ogallala. Keep us posted!

astavrides

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Re: The Dunes Project @ Lake Mac ; More in the Mecca
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2011, 05:26:43 PM »
public or private?

Adam Clayman

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Re: The Dunes Project @ Lake Mac ; More in the Mecca
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2011, 11:03:08 PM »
Alex, Public.

Mike, I think it's nearing a decade in it's formation.

Eric, Mike. The reason it's been that long is that the lake was down to about 35% capacity, until last and this year. It's now at 95 %. The lake is 26 miles long and about 4.5 wide. Two summers ago, it was 13 miles long, ending just at about Bayside and about 1.5-2 mi wide.
yes, it's right near Bayside about 2 miles or so, before you get to Bayside. It's a housing development course, but, with the land they have, the affect of the housing should have zero impact on the GC. Especially it's visuals. I've driven past these dunes for 5 years now. From a far they elicit the emotion any gca geek would drool over. Up close, the drool turns to another bodily secretion. It's that good.  ;)
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Kalen Braley

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Re: The Dunes Project @ Lake Mac ; More in the Mecca
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2011, 12:36:29 PM »
Alex, Public.

Mike, I think it's nearing a decade in it's formation.

Eric, Mike. The reason it's been that long is that the lake was down to about 35% capacity, until last and this year. It's now at 95 %. The lake is 26 miles long and about 4.5 wide. Two summers ago, it was 13 miles long, ending just at about Bayside and about 1.5-2 mi wide.
yes, it's right near Bayside about 2 miles or so, before you get to Bayside. It's a housing development course, but, with the land they have, the affect of the housing should have zero impact on the GC. Especially it's visuals. I've driven past these dunes for 5 years now. From a far they elicit the emotion any gca geek would drool over. Up close, the drool turns to another bodily secretion. It's that good.  ;)

Vommit?

Signed,

J. Kavanaugh

Kevin Atkinson

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Re: The Dunes Project @ Lake Mac ; More in the Mecca
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2011, 02:39:35 PM »
Adam,

Thanks for posting about the Dunes.  I just got off the excavator and am heading to lunch at Bayside.  Before I leave, I thought I would try to post a few photos of the site.  I have been working on the project for 9 1/2 years and have never lost the passion for this property.  It is the best property the I have ever worked on and when I am on site I can't help but be out there sun up to sun down.  My wife doesn't get it, but I am sure most of you on this site understand...  I will try to post often and I will continue to tour Adam Clayman around the property as we make progress.

Kevin Atkinson

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Re: The Dunes Project @ Lake Mac ; More in the Mecca
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2011, 02:40:41 PM »
I feel silly asking this...but how do I post photos again? 

Kalen Braley

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Re: The Dunes Project @ Lake Mac ; More in the Mecca
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2011, 02:42:41 PM »
I feel silly asking this...but how do I post photos again? 

by using this {img}http://www.golfclubatlas.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/East8bg1.jpg{/img}

But replace the {} with []

Adam Clayman

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Re: The Dunes Project @ Lake Mac ; More in the Mecca
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2011, 07:39:50 AM »
Kalen. There just has to be a comedy geek site you can hang out on.       Kevin, since the soil make up may not be all sand, do you think you might tweak certain holes because of that?

Kevin, Pictures need to be posted online, so you can use the url, in the code sequence Kalen has provided.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2011, 08:15:43 AM by Adam Clayman »
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

JC Urbina

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Re: The Dunes Project @ Lake Mac ; More in the Mecca
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2011, 10:13:15 AM »
Kevin,

" I just got off the excavator and am heading to lunch at Bayside". 

Is this the first time you have  done your own shaping or are you used to do building your golf courses this way ?

 I am curious if your are going to irrigate as you go even if it's only a few holes at a time? 

Is Phelps helping with this project ?

I visited Bayside years ago, in what direction is your property from Bayside.


Ron Farris

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Re: The Dunes Project @ Lake Mac ; More in the Mecca
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2011, 07:24:37 PM »
Adam, Hard to say the housing would have zero impact on the golf.  A few years back, I had a pursit golfer/potential investor look at the site and master plan and went running the other direction.  He just didn't think the Denver market would jump on the idea of driving past Ballyneal to get to LM. If memory serves me right the hole housing aspect was a turn-off, so atleast 1% find housing an affects the project.  Remember this was at a time when the lake was down and the people on the other side of the lake were living in tents and trailer houses.  Bayside was relatively new and they were getting almost no play.  How many rounds do they get now.

Now, for me, I am all for this to happen.  I sat down with Kevin a few years ago and tried to figure out how I could get involved as I am a Native to the area, per se........Valentine area.  I love the Sand Hills, Lake Maccoughy is a fabulous place, albeit full of insects, and I hope things go well for the project.

Perhaps when I get home from China next week I can find a few of the photos I took of the place.

Adam Clayman

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Re: The Dunes Project @ Lake Mac ; More in the Mecca
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2011, 09:52:50 PM »
Ron, Poetic license. It may have an impact if someone wants to make it an issue. But, as I see courses like this, no housing, no course. All we can hope is that the roof lines are mitigated from lines of play, but, as we see all over the world, houses are part of the picture. As Keven showed me, the lines of the tract run parallel to the opening holes and are well up the hill. So, that implies to me that a person would have to look sideways to see the roof lines.
And of course I pitched Kevin on my sod house ideas. :}

i heard the stats today. The lake is at 99.7% capacity. Inflows are 4200 and out flows are 5200. Both are doubled from a year ago. The south Platte is also running 1 ft below flood stage, with the recent rains in Denver.

I'm sure if this course was built it would help both courses do more rounds. But, we really should think more globally. The public loop would be: Out of DIA- Bayside, The Dunes Project, The prairie Club and Wild Horse.
Out of Omaha- WH, PC, Bayside and Dunes. Throw in some of the privates, like Awarri Dunes and options are unlimited.

Jim, The course lies a few miles before you get to Bayside. South and east of Bayside. Just in case you are brave enough to try and take the Brule road, it's a few miles past Bayside.

« Last Edit: July 21, 2011, 09:59:39 PM by Adam Clayman »
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: The Dunes Project @ Lake Mac ; More in the Mecca
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2011, 11:29:21 PM »
Just in case you are brave enough to try and take the Brule road, it's a few miles past Bayside.



Scariest road in America.  Drove it last May in a rented SUV just after a rainstorm.  I'm lucky not to have ended up in a ditch.

Hope this project gets some legs.  The Southwestern corner of NE is an awesome place to spend some time swinging the clubs.
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Kevin Atkinson

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Re: The Dunes Project @ Lake Mac ; More in the Mecca
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2011, 01:00:30 PM »
Guys,

Sorry for the delay in responding...

Jim,  Nice to hear from you.  I am involved in the shaping of the course but I have also brought on a couple of other talented other that I have worked with in the past to help out.  I think you know them from Commonground and Cherry Hills.  I am travelling up to the site for 2-3 days every week and so far have been primarily in the mini excavator working on bunker character, location and the greens.  The truth is there isn't a lot of shaping that needs to be done and the shaping I am doing on the bunkers is only enough to open up the sandy soils and let mother nature shape the rest.  We are irrigating as we go but we still have not constructed our irrigation storage pond, wet well, pump, mainline etc.  That construction and expense will happen later...
I am curious what land or project you are working on in Nebraska.  Are you in the area often?  I  would love to get together to show you around.  I will call you later on you cell phone to compare our schedules.  I hope you are doing well

Adam,
Your question about tweaking some of the holes due to the soil conditions is not an issue for me.  Most of the holes are in sandy soils, I would guess 14 out of 18 holes.  The holes that are not as sandy can easily be made to aesthetically relate to the more sandy holes. 

Ron,
Nice to hear from you again too. 
I agree with Adam.  Most golf course projects have a housing component and this one is not different.  However, most golf courses that have housing have the houses around 200-250 feet from the center of the golf hole.  On this project, we have purposefully set back the housing to be double that amount if not more, not to mention that when we selected the preferred golf course routing (I only did 29 routing plans for this property!) the sight lines for the adjacent property was part of the overall consideration.  In most cases the housing will sit well above the golf holes.  When playing the golf hole the sheer scale of the land and difference in height between standing in the fairway and the "adjacent" house is nearly 40-50 feet.  You literally have to walk the site to understand the massive scale of the high and low points.  As far as Bayside goes...they get around 8,000-8,500 rounds a year and that number is climbing with the popularity of the Play the West golf package.  Believe or not they are not losing money.  They have figured out a way to manage money/operations to maintain a nice looking and fun golf course.  A lot of that comes with a hard working supt. which they have in Elton Nolde.  I think that with the addition of The Dunes (my project) it will only help Bayside, the lake and general area to be more of a destination for families to have fun.  I know that our golf course can be an outstanding venue that will compete with any in the area, but we need to make sure that our project doesn't just offer golfing as its only attraction.  We can and will work with Bayside to help promote all around fun times in our area on the south side of the lake including the beach, boating, dinner/drinks, hunting, fishing, and activities for families.  If you haven't been to Lake McConaughy you are missing a good time.





Kevin Atkinson

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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2011, 02:10:13 PM »
I will try to post a few photos of the site...forgive me if it doesn't work. 

Hole 18 tee shot


Hole 3 (par 3)


Hole 2 approach (par 4)


View from 3 tee back across #2, #1, #17, #18, #16 and #10


Hole 2 tee shot (par 4)


View backwards down #18 from green.  Also in the distance is #1, #2 and #3 along the shore


Hole #16 tee shot (par 3 with green on lake)


Hole #10 tee shot


View of property from #3 tee


Hole #17 tee shot (par 4)


View from Clubhouse looking West (down #18, #1, #2 and #3)


View from clubhouse looking East down #10 and #11 tee


View from clubhouse looking North and down #16


Hole #11 tee shot (par 5)


Hole #11 second shot on par 5


Hole #6 tee shot (short par 4)
« Last Edit: July 22, 2011, 10:08:38 PM by Kevin Atkinson »

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