News:

Welcome to the Golf Club Atlas Discussion Group!

Each user is approved by the Golf Club Atlas editorial staff. For any new inquiries, please contact us.


Andy Gray

Re: Lost Farm - A Pictorial
« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2010, 06:57:52 PM »
Sorry if this has been asked already, but how firm/fast is it playing at this point in time?

I have absolutely no excuse to get down there now!

Mark_F

Re: Lost Farm - A Pictorial
« Reply #51 on: October 05, 2010, 07:51:10 PM »
That feature is the essence of the hole, and at least on site seems eminently natural, and free from any hand of man.

Spot on, MM.  It fits in very well, quite a feat considering the flattish basin it sits in the middle of.

Mark,

Thanks for putting in the time to provide such a comprehensive tour. Looks like the wife will be wine tasting in Tassie again very soon; should she bring any sisters?
:D      The more the merrier, Pete, the more the merrier.  I'll get to work on my cellar immediately.  :D

Sorry if this has been asked already, but how firm/fast is it playing at this point in time?

It's in pretty good nick for such a young course.  The difference in the greens between now and Matthew Mollica's pictorial in April, is astounding.
It doesn't play very fast, however, when the wind is blowing into you.  ;)

Thanks Mark

How does the general width compare across both courses ?

No worries, Kevin.

In general, Lost Farm is very much wider than BB Dunes, but there are quite a few exceptions.  It's interesting the way the two different architects have used width and deception.  On BB Dunes, there are a few blind drives where you can't see either the fairway or the green (3, 9,11) a few blind but wide landing areas (4,5,9,11,18), and a few narrow but visible ridges to hit to (8, 12, 15)  Lost Farm, on the other hand, generally appears extremely wide from the tee - and it is, mostly - but can play much narrower. 

The first hole, for example has a extremely wide fairway, yet with the bunkering design, angle off the tee and the prevailing wind straight into you from the same angle, there is a little less room there than thought.

On 5, it is a very wide fairway - once you are over the spine that runs diagonally from the bunkered dune away from you.  If the wind or your shot control are against you, you will catch the wrong side of it. 

7 has an enormously wide fairway - yet the grassy knoll smack in the middle, along with the bunkering design, means there is much, much less width to play to, unless you lay up behind the knoll.  Here is the 7th fairway from the 6th tee.
                       

9 contrasts quite nicely with the other holes in appearing a little tighter from the tee - if you choose the upper road, it is narrower, but the left side tilts a little toward the scrub on the left, as well as having some lovely rolls in the fairway that could sling an unthinking shot wide of the mark, too.

At Lost Farm, too, the drives where you can't see the green from the tee ( 8, 10, 12, 13) you can see the massive landing areas, unlike their counterparts at BB Dunes.

David_Elvins

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Lost Farm - A Pictorial
« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2010, 08:27:44 PM »
A nice tour, Mark.  Thanks for the pictures.   I look forward to disagreeing with most of your opinions when I get down there.   :)
Ask not what GolfClubAtlas can do for you; ask what you can do for GolfClubAtlas.

Mark_F

Re: Lost Farm - A Pictorial
« Reply #53 on: October 05, 2010, 09:26:20 PM »
I look forward to disagreeing with most of your opinions when I get down there.   :)

I don't see how, David, since I have scarcely offered an opinion - other than believing BB Dunes to be the better course,  a point I am sure you will have no reason to disagree with me on. :)

Tom_Doak

  • Karma: +2/-1
Re: Lost Farm - A Pictorial
« Reply #54 on: October 05, 2010, 10:38:41 PM »
Mark,

Lost Farm being wider than Barnbougle owes partly to the width of the valleys between the dunes, and partly to a difference in construction budgets ... I was on a much tighter leash for an irrigation budget.

I've had dinner the last two nights with Keith Rhebb as well as Bill and Ben and some of my own crew ... Keith came from Yasmania to run this job in Florida that we are all working on.  I know that Bill was really interested to gauge Keith's reaction to this site after having spent the last 18 months at Lost Farm ... and he was very pleased when Keith seemed so excited about it. 

Carl Nichols

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Lost Farm - A Pictorial
« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2010, 09:41:02 AM »
Mark,

Lost Farm being wider than Barnbougle owes partly to the width of the valleys between the dunes, and partly to a difference in construction budgets ... I was on a much tighter leash for an irrigation budget.

I've had dinner the last two nights with Keith Rhebb as well as Bill and Ben and some of my own crew ... Keith came from Yasmania to run this job in Florida that we are all working on.   I know that Bill was really interested to gauge Keith's reaction to this site after having spent the last 18 months at Lost Farm ... and he was very pleased when Keith seemed so excited about it. 

Tom:
I don't want to threadjack here -- would you be willing to comment more on the status of your Florida project in a new thread?

George Pazin

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Lost Farm - A Pictorial
« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2010, 10:08:40 AM »
At what point would they break? Or would they just choose not to take a project where they have to create?

I'm under the impression (perhaps mistaken, admittedly) that they did a good bit of creating at Talking Stick. When Bill spoke of the courses at the Hidden Creek outing a few years ago, he said it was about as flat as could be - I think he said something like you could lay down on the ground and see across the entire property.

Or I might be remembering that wrong - my brain is not what it used to be...

-----

Thanks for the pics and thoughts, Mark and everyone.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Tim Leahy

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Lost Farm - A Pictorial
« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2010, 08:05:59 PM »
Why can't we get something like this built on the California coast? ???
I love golf, the fightin irish, and beautiful women depending on the season and availability.

Alex Miller

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Lost Farm - A Pictorial
« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2010, 11:11:56 PM »
Why can't we get something like this built on the California coast? ???

I don't know if there's dunesland like this, but I know Camp Pendleton has some coastline that I wish could be built on.

How many other sites like this exist down under? It seems Australia has great quantities of golfable land.

Mark_F

Re: Lost Farm - A Pictorial
« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2010, 11:48:32 PM »
How many other sites like this exist down under? It seems Australia has great quantities of golfable land.

Mike Clayton made the following comment on a thread about Kennedy Bay in Western Australia.
There is some amazing land for golf in Perth.If it had been a bigger city and Mackenzie had gone there instead of Melbourne they could have had some of the best golf in the world.

The way the government are letting people into the country, it won't be long before we have the population to sustain them all, too.

David_Elvins

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Lost Farm - A Pictorial
« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2010, 12:03:29 AM »
Why can't we get something like this built on the California coast? ???
Because the Californian Government doesn't have a spare $4mil to throw at a golf course development?
Ask not what GolfClubAtlas can do for you; ask what you can do for GolfClubAtlas.

Alex Miller

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Lost Farm - A Pictorial
« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2010, 12:13:50 AM »
David,

If they were smarter they'd realize that they could build a profitable golf course on government land and make money. Anyone who's driven from LA to SD has seen this land on which I visualize a west-coast cliff-top Ocean Course. Oh how I can dream...

David_Elvins

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Lost Farm - A Pictorial
« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2010, 02:22:47 AM »
David,

If they were smarter they'd realize that they could build a profitable golf course on government land and make money. Anyone who's driven from LA to SD has seen this land on which I visualize a west-coast cliff-top Ocean Course. Oh how I can dream...

I think that Golf Course Development is a risky industry, a state government with 70 billion +++ in debt would probably be advised to stay clear. 

The tourism grants that the Tasmanian government has given to Barnbougle Dunes/Lost Farms, has been fantastic for Australian golf. 

There was a rumour going around (not sure if it is still true) that Barnbougle Dunes has never spent a cent on advertising.  It seems that every second add for Tourism in Tasmania features a photo of the golf course. 

If you can build something world class in an area that has relatively few world class attractions, it appears to have significant commercial advantage. 
Ask not what GolfClubAtlas can do for you; ask what you can do for GolfClubAtlas.

Nick Asbrock

Re: Lost Farm - A Pictorial
« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2010, 12:05:49 PM »
Why can't we get something like this built on the California coast? ???

Yes.... I always thought the land just past the rest stop and before las pulgas exit of the 5 near camp pendelton looked like great golf course land.






Jim Eder

Re: Lost Farm - A Pictorial
« Reply #64 on: November 18, 2010, 10:30:42 AM »
I never get tired of seeing these pics.  Thanks for sharing, just brilliant!!

Tags:
Tags:

An Error Has Occurred!

Call to undefined function theme_linktree()
Back