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TEPaul

An (historical) architectural question?
« on: August 04, 2010, 11:45:44 PM »
Where TODAY is there a course that has a fairway line that actually cross over one another? The 7th and the 11th of TOC is not the answer.

Ben Sims

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Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2010, 11:49:44 PM »
Where TODAY is there a course that has a fairway line that actually cross over one another? The 7th and the 11th of TOC is not the answer.

Nice question for your 40000 post.  I'll make that mark in year 2050.

There are many courses with greens near or bordering the fairway of a preceding hole.  7th green next to 4th fairway at Ballyneal and 14th green next to 1 fairway at Palmetto comes to mind.  That's kinda the same.
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JESII

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Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2010, 11:57:11 PM »
Don't know, but the holes better be really good to make up for it...

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2010, 12:25:27 AM »
Claremont, near Oakland CC?
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Bryan Izatt

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Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2010, 01:02:05 AM »


Tom,

I don't know which one you have in mind, but I'll offer you one you've probably never heard of and almost certainly haven't played.

That would be Gourock Golf Club near Glasgow Scotland.  It has not one, but two instances of crossing fairways - the 2nd and 3rd as well as the 14th and 15th.  Designed by James Braid/Henry Cotton.  Dates from 1896.  Exists today with the crossing fairways.  Has the most tiring first hole in all of golf, I'd bet.


Kevin_Reilly

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Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2010, 01:39:45 AM »
Claremont, near Oakland CC?

The 7th there crosses #4 and #5.  #8 crosses #18 also.

PS,  Claremont CC, is in Oakland. 
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2010, 04:18:39 AM »
Bangalore Golf Club in India. Take a look at the course plan here http://www.bgc1876.org and click 'Course'. It's the oldest golf club outside the UK still on its original site. And it is pretty terrifying, even more so when you consider that it's always full of fourballs, and everyone takes a caddy.
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Scott Warren

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Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2010, 04:43:20 AM »
Alwoodley GC in Leeds: Par 5 3rd and par 4 16th cross each other.

Royal Porthcawl in Wales: Par 4 1st crosses the par 4 18th.

Mitcham GC in south London: Par 5 10th and par 4 15th cross each other.

Painswick in Gloucestershire: Par 4 17th crosses par 4 16th (and a three-way intersection!), par 4 3rd and par 4 13th cross, par 4 4th and par 3 12th cross, par 3 6th and par 4 11th cross.

James Boon

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Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2010, 04:56:35 AM »
There are plenty of courses where this happens here in the UK, and as TEPaul has already said that the 7 and 11 at TOC isn't the answer I'm assuming he has something specific in mind?

Though there might be quite a few crossing holes, these can often be a par 3 crossing another hole, and he does actually mention fairway line. Off the top of my head I can only think of one here in Derbyshire, the 17th fairway at Chevin plays down hill and crosses the 2nd holes fairway, so that both landing areas are in the same spot. The 17th is also crossed by the tee shots on the 18th and 3rd so you have to keep your whits about you as you play!  :o

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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2010, 05:27:33 AM »
Tom Paul is obviously meaning something specific because he surely can't be looking for one answer to what this question seems to imply?

Where to start... There are examples with two holes crossing the same other hole in places...


Bradley Anderson

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Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2010, 05:29:28 AM »
I would guess that it's a Travis layout.

Chris Shaida

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Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2010, 06:56:07 AM »
Lahinch

Melvyn Morrow

Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2010, 07:44:44 AM »

Windermere Gold Club  Holes 11 and 12 cross



Great sporty course but is not flat and gives you a good walk, most enjoyable, web site links (http://www.windermeregolfclub.co.uk/ )

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Ben Stephens

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Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2010, 08:43:22 AM »
Brancaster has a couple of crossovers 1 and 18 (from the 1st yellow tee), 2 and 17, 4 and 5 and the walk across the 7th fairway from 5th green to 6th tee

SPDB

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Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2010, 11:51:53 AM »
Sequoyah CC has crossing fairways as well. Must be an Oakland thing. However, I seem to recall that apart from the shared portions, the fairway lines distinct to each hole don't meet but are rather separated by cart paths, interrupting the bisection.

TEPaul

Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2010, 09:32:11 PM »
I'm sorry, I should've couched this question initially by explaining I was asking for all examples other than TOC's 7th and 11th.

Thanks so much for all the examples.

Ian Andrew

Re: An (historical) architectural question?
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2010, 09:38:19 PM »
I assume you want crossing holes as opposed to just tee shots

10th and 18th (new) at Nefyn cross like an "x"

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