[TEPaul]

SteveS:

I think the actual story of why it took so long for Roger Hansen to get C&C to do a course for him is that in the fifteen or so years before he first asked them and they finally agreed to do Hidden Creek they were not being shown the same land Hidden Creek is on. At least, I think that's the way I remember Bill Coore telling me about why it took so long.

In retrospect, I guess, I realize how lucky I was and what good timing it was that I got to know Bill Coore due to that Ardrossan project in Philadelphia which just shortly preceded C&C's involvement with both Friar's Head and Hidden Creek and just following Easthampton. Because the timing worked that way I got to walk both Friars and Hidden Creek with him before anything was really routed or designed; just a couple of totally raw sites.

It was also a good way and time to get to know Hidden Creek's Roger Hansen and Friars Head's Ken Bakst. To me they are both very interesting guys, somewhat opposite and somewhat similar, the latter basically being that both figured out over some time that the way to deal with C&C and their guys is not to try to micromanage them. We've got a whole lot of good and often pretty funny stories on that aspect.

[TEPaul]

"My recollection is that C&C were in "the area" doing FH or Easthampton (can't remember which) and went down to see site."


GeorgeP:

Actually the most interesting story is that C&C were in the area about ready to contract to do Friars Head and the whole thing had the door slammed on it by one environmental obstacle and challenge after another. At that point, the family who owned the land of the Easthampton course called them up and basically said; "We have this little project here that has a routing and we really don't know what we are doing so is there any chance you could come down here and help us out?" That's basically the way Bill Coore told it and so they did with Easthampton, essentially inheriting an approved routing which they never even thought to change since it would've taken years to go through the complex approval process out there again.

The ones who fought the Easthampton project the hardest and the most visibly were actually actors Alex Baldwin and his wife Kim Bassinger. I wish I'd been involved in that at that time because back then I would definitely not have minded getting into a wrestling match with Kim Bassinger. She was a bit crazy but what a looker and what a mouth. At one point she bought this entire small town in Georgia. When they asked her why in the world would she want to buy an entire small town in Georgia she said she just had a very sentinmental attachment to it. When asked why she said: "Because it was where I first got laid."

[Dan Herrmann]

Jerry,
Most folks at my club in Chester County PA know all about Hidden Creek.  In fact, it's not unusual to hear folks talking about it - its design, the fescue, or other nice stuff.  But I've never heard folks talking about Galloway.

No slight to Galloway, but it doesn't seem to get a lot of "press" out here in the far western 'burbs of Philly.

[archie_struthers]

 

Just as an aside the time frame for Coore and Crenshaw building for Roger from the first meeting sounds right....however, my understanding is that Roger had a piece of property in Shamong ...about an hour west of  Atlantic Ciity ...that just didn't work out, but at that time they forged a kinship that eventually led to C & C  getting the Hidden Creek job.

[Patrick_Mucci]

Archie,

I believe that you and TEPaul are correct.

C&C never rejected HC on it's current site.

I'm pretty sure that Roger had approached them regarding other sites prior to HC.

If the weather stays nice, I may visit you soon.

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