[Adam_F_Collins]

What do you think about the idea of greens and their hole positions being 'tricked up' for tournaments? Is it okay for a course to be set up with hole positions which can't be 'reasonably' read? Or is anything technically readable?

Thoughts?

[Adam_F_Collins]

Watching the PGA, I've got the distinct sense that a bunch of these Sunday hole positions meet that description.

[Matt_Cohn]

hole positions which can't be 'reasonably' read

What does this even mean?

[noonan]

Tricked up is keeping scores down by pin positions used where you cannot get the ball close to, or are not easily read, next to ridges etc.

[Joe Hancock]

Tricked up is keeping scores down by pin positions used where you cannot get the ball close to, or are not easily read, next to ridges etc.

Conversely, is tricked up also when pin positions are kept easy and accessible to keep the scores low?

Tricked up doesn't exist when all players use the same playing field, as far as I'm concerned.

Joe

[Adam_F_Collins]

On many courses, there are hole positions which defy reading. Places where all the signs point to a right-to-left break, but it goes straight. Places where there SHOULD be a left-to-right, but it actually goes to the left and stays there.

I'm wondering about your thoughts regarding using such positions for a tournament. Places where only local knowledge will help you read it right.

A

[Bob_Huntley]

On many courses, there are hole positions which defy reading. Places where all the signs point to a right-to-left break, but it goes straight. Places where there SHOULD be a left-to-right, but it actually goes to the left and stays there.

I'm wondering about your thoughts regarding using such positions for a tournament. Places where only local knowledge will help you read it right.

A

Surely this is the intent of the architect, to deny you the easy path to success.


B0b

[Philippe Binette]

There's no tricked up positions

There a reason why there are practice rounds... 
Pins hard to get to are just hard to get to.... gamble or play safe. that is called strategy...

It's not because Tiger is missing a putt that it's because the pin is tricked up... that's broadcasting crap

a putt can only break one way... it can bounce out of the line, or be hit with a slightly different sidespin that makes you feel that it didn't fallow the line it should take... but that's the game

[Kalen Braley]

The only tricked up pin positions that I would ever consider such are when they put the cup on a slope such that you can't lag it anywhere close to the hole.

The 18th at a certain course in the San Fran area during a major tournament comes to mind!!   

[Chris Flamion]

The only tricked up pin positions that I would ever consider such are when they put the cup on a slope such that you can't lag it anywhere close to the hole.

I second this.  All is fair as long as the slope isn't so severe that a ball placed on the green doesn't start rolling without the aid of the wind within a couple feet of the cup. 

There is nothing more frustrating than putting a ball uphill and going above the cup only to have it come back down to your feet.

OT- That said, little is as satisfying than hitting that come backer on the way down the hill

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