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Ed Oden

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Bunkerless Raynor Holes?
« on: April 28, 2009, 10:45:35 PM »
Looking back at my pictures of CC of Charleston, I realized that #6 is bunkerless:



I am no Raynor expert, but its seems this is very rare in his portfolio.  The only other one I could find is #14 at Yale.  Are there any others?  Maybe I am wrong, but bunkerless holes have always struck me as tending toward the minimalist side of design.  If so, do they run counter to Raynor's more engineered look?

Ed
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Bunkerless Raynor Holes?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2009, 10:58:55 PM »
What's that white stuff to the right of the green?

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Ed Oden

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Re: Bunkerless Raynor Holes?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2009, 11:03:44 PM »
Dirt cart path running around the back of the green to the 7th tee.
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Tim Gavrich

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Re: Bunkerless Raynor Holes?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2009, 01:29:06 AM »
So too is 14 at Yale: a tricky short par 4, the Knoll hole.
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Bunkerless Raynor Holes?
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2009, 07:29:12 AM »
......and you can add #4 & #10 at Fishers Island to that list.
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Lester George

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Re: Bunkerless Raynor Holes?
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2009, 10:27:47 AM »
Ed,

An aerial photo of CCC from 1954 reveals that the oblique hazard of the pond was a large waste bunker back then.  There also appears to be a more formal bunker further up the left hand side towards the green.  I would reason that when the pond was excavated the other bunker was filled in. 

Lester
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Ed Oden

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Re: Bunkerless Raynor Holes?
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2009, 05:02:45 PM »
Lester, thanks for the info.  A waste bunker would seem to me to be a better fit there than the existing water hazard.  I wonder if Silva ever considered restoring it?  It probably wasn't possible/practical given environmental ramifications.

Regardless, if you remove #6 at CCofC from the list, that's one less bunkerless hole for Raynor.  Were any of the other holes mentioned above similarly originally designed with bunkers?  Are there any other golden age GCAs with so few bunkerless holes to their credit?

Ed
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herrstein

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Re: Bunkerless Raynor Holes?
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2009, 10:18:10 PM »
That is their Biarritz. Very unlikely it was originally conceived without bunkers....
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Ed Oden

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Re: Bunkerless Raynor Holes?
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2009, 11:26:53 PM »
Quote from: Doug Stein on April 29, 2009, 10:18:10 PM
That is their Biarritz. Very unlikely it was originally conceived without bunkers....

Doug, my initial reaction was, no way, it can't be.  But I checked my scorecard and you are right.  The hole is indeed named "Biarritz".  Yet it has virtually no playing characteristics of any Biarritz that I have seen.  No tiers.  No swale.  No bunkers.  If this hole was originally designed as a traditional Biarritz, then it has sadly lost its way.  I wonder why the playing characteristics weren't restored by team Silva in the latest round of work?  They certainly tackled similar tasks elsewhere on the course.  Even if the pond is untouchable due to environmental concerns, it seems to me the greensite could have easily been restored if it was in fact designed as a Biarritz.

Ed
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