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Patrick Kiser

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False Fronts As A Hazard
« on: February 03, 2009, 01:03:04 AM »
While playing Tilden Park over the weekend, it occured to me how false fronts can really be one of the more punishing hazards.

I'll take a fried egg or a buried lie in a bunker over a significant false front.

I think Tilden overuses this feature, but it makes for great practice.

The other thing that makes it even tougher is a false front combined with pin placement.  There were a few holes on Saturday where the pin was placed up front, thus leaving very little room for error.  Hit it short and your down back into the fairway with an f-ed up lie.  Go long and the putt downhill probably won't hold the green (I hit a great LW recovery shot from the back of the 14th just onto the great with some check and rolled all the way back down and into the fairway).

Anyway, I guess I'm wondering what are some of the finer examples in using false fronts?  How critical does the topography become in the use or consideration of false fronts?  Tilden's topo is very up and down with several greens on a shelf with ... severe false fronts down back into the fairway.

I also forgot how Tilden has three long bruiser par 3s (7th, 11th and 16th), but that's another story...




“One natural hazard, however, which is more
or less of a nuisance, is water. Water hazards
absolutely prohibit the recovery shot, perhaps
the best shot in the game.” —William Flynn, golf
course architect

Adam Clayman

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Re: False Fronts As A Hazard
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2009, 09:09:35 AM »
PK, I agree that FFs are a great feature. They test the player's awareness as well as their ability to control trajectory.
I do however, see the humor when someone says they hit a great shot, only to have it end up in a bad position. To me, this is funny because clearly the shot was not great for that specific task at hand. It may have been great in their minds as far doing exactly what they want it to do, but the results speak for themselves. In other words, that was not the proper shot. Trying to convince a good golfer of that reality is about as easy as it is to keep politicians out making business decisions, when they have never been in business.
Point being, when a good player recognizes that an architectural feature has one upped them, they tend to dis-like the feature rather than accept the fact that they were in control and failed to anticipate the proper pace or line.
This type of a reaction to an architectural feature is what tells us more about the individual than it does about the feature. Pat Mucci has had a couple of threads over the years about the softening of features because of complaints from golfers. This is the perfect case for those who recieve the bitching to smile and say Thank you, knowing the deficiency is not in the GC but in the human being.

BTW, I've played Tilden a few times and enjoyed it as a unique course in an area that is not known for affordable golf. The ups and downs at Tilden are great fun and true tests of ones ability to gauge how elevation changes and undulations require adaptations to one's game. My last time there I was on the front of the 7th green walking off the front when a marshal motioned me over. When I shifted direction the soaking wet turf gave way and I was jarred to the core when my pelvis hit the turf. In thinking back to that episode I can't help but think it's responsible for my current pelvic issues that took over 10 years to manifest.


"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Mike_Young

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Re: False Fronts As A Hazard
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2009, 10:01:18 AM »
Patrick,
I see what you say but false fronts are not and cannot be considered "hazards" under the rules of golf.....but you are correct IMHO as to how the subtlety of such "strategies" as false fronts can be more difficult than some hazards.....I think it would e great to have a course with subtle strategies and no hazards but would it sell or be recognized...... ;)
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

cary lichtenstein

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Re: False Fronts As A Hazard
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2009, 10:15:36 AM »
I generally think that the use of false front, false side and backs have their place sometimes, they slow up play, punish shots severly that would be easy pars, assuming you hit the green in regulation, and favor the player with a good shot game.

I used to play at a course with these false features and they annoyed me, especially because the collection areas were littered with divots, so you get double penalized.

At Augusta they are great, they make for terrific TV viewing as well as playing, at Pinehurst 2, I didn't enjoy them.
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Bill_McBride

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Re: False Fronts As A Hazard
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2009, 10:01:54 PM »
I was a witness at Pasatiempo at the Kings Putter 2008 when young Jordan Wall became acquainted with the false front at #3.  >:( ;D

When it's very subtle the false front can play havoc with your short game.

Ed Oden

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Re: False Fronts As A Hazard
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2009, 10:59:44 PM »
False fronts are fairly common on the courses I play.  No doubt that is in part due to the fact that many are Ross designs.  Whether this was Ross' intent or just the perception of his "style" by restoring architects I can't say.  Regardless, I generally like the feature when done well and not overused.  I think of a false front as the architectural equivalent of a sucker pin position.  If you challenge it and lose you really have no one to blame but yourself.  There is almost always a safe option.  And I enjoy the fact that missing often results in interesting recoveries where there are so many different ways to play the shot (putt, bump and run, chip, flop, pray), none necessarily better than another. 

That being said, I am less enthusiastic about holes where catching a false front means trickling back down a hill 40 or 50 yards.  As much as I love Shinnecock, the penalty for missing #10 by a shade is just brutal.  ANGC #9 seems to be in this vein as well.

One other thought:  False fronts put a premium on thoughtful pin placements.  I played Sand Hills this summer with another GCAer.  On #6, the pin was set only a few feet past the false front.  Unfortunately, a 30-40 mph wind blowing from the back of the green to the front made the hole virtually unplayable.  Any shot or putt from any direction would roll down the false front if it didn't hit the cup.  In 2 rounds neither of us ever managed to finish the hole.

Ed

Jimmy Muratt

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Re: False Fronts As A Hazard
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2009, 11:04:50 PM »
The false front on the 8th green at Crystal Downs is one of the defining characteristics of this great par 5.  Misplayed approach shots can roll 40 yards back down the hill. 

Chris Cupit

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Re: False Fronts As A Hazard
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2009, 11:20:46 PM »
One pretty big false front:

Looking into the green


Side view


Ed Oden

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Re: False Fronts As A Hazard
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2009, 11:29:27 PM »
Chris, is the front right pinnable on that green?

Ed

Chris Cupit

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Re: False Fronts As A Hazard
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2009, 11:31:33 PM »
Not even close :o  I've got to run but it is one of the more "controversial holes" on the course but I can explain what we were thinking--in a minute :)

Drew Standley

Re: False Fronts As A Hazard
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2009, 11:08:48 PM »
The laser rangefinder has made the false front obsolete in my game.  Shoot a target and fire away. 

john_stiles

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Re: False Fronts As A Hazard
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2009, 05:22:19 PM »

The false front on the 3rd at Palmetto GC really defines this par 4 hole.  Very difficult to get it close unless you bombed it about 300 and have a nice lofted club in your hand.  Otherwise you need to hit a low shot and let it run up. 

It's really a par 4 and half with the false front.

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