Where will the USGA mess up this week?

[TEPaul]

Why is it that when a small criticism is made of the Open set-up like a few of the fairways being a bit too far out others assume that criticism is a total denigration of Tom Meeks?

It's not a total denigration of Tom Meeks, it's just a thought about a few fairways starting a little too far out. Is Meeks or anyone else really so thin-skinned they can't handle that kind of critique. Is it really necessary when mentioning something like that to mention all the other 999 things that Meeks does right? I really don't think so! And anyone can see that many positive things have been said on here about the Open at Bethpage and the USGA's handling of it.

We should all remember that critique or criticism should not always be viewed as a negative thing and a perjorative word. It can actually be a positive thing.

[Patrick_Mucci]

Tom Egan,

It's good to know that you're starting to see the light  
Now, not even Dr Katz can help you  

[TEPaul]

Have you ever noticed when Pat feels he's apparently incapable of answering a question and explaining himself he just avoids it or latches onto someone he thinks agrees with him?

Whether Tom Egan is right or wrong is beside the point--which is, at the moment, he's having some serious emotional problems about architecture, the Open and the USGA! Tom Egan is at this moment overcome with grief and remorse over  Tom Meeks's perceived reputation--but with time even that will pass!

Forget about the medication Tom, bedrest is the ticket!

[Tom_Egan]

To: Tom Paul

You might be able to stand up to Pat.  On your VERY best days, even to me.  Do NOT try us in a tag team unless you've got a monster in reserve!!

Re: Meeks.  My vouching for his golf administration abilities is about like Lichtenstein asking for a mutual defense treaty with the U.S.  He can take very good care of himself.  My objection is not to criticisms of specific actions: I wasn't too wild about the 18th hole at Olympic or 10 and 12 at Bethpage.  I do get VERY hot, however, when some anonymous creep says he's an 8 handicapper at what he does.  That is patent horse hockey!  

You, of all people, should understand this.  How would you like it if Dr. Katz decided to make a "project" out of YOUR ass?

[TEPaul]

Tom Egan (and Pat);

I agree with yuuz on the anonymous stuff but I'm not anonymous and if you and Pat team up on me as a tag team neither or both of you scare me in the slightest!

Maybe the two of you will beat the living daylights out of me--I don't care about that--it's happened enough already--but if you even try it the both of you are going to be missing an  earlobe--and I mean permanently!

[Tommy_Naccarato]

Tom Paul, Do not fear, I will be your tag-team partner.

Together we will destory both of them and Dr. Katz will not only be prescribing Prozac, he will prescribing the most potent of anti-inflammatory's. It will still do nothing to ease their pain.

Gotta go now and practice my jack-knife and back-breaker moves.

[Patrick_Mucci]

TEPaul,

Could you cite an example of what you allege that I do.
Let's take for example, this thread, and see if you're right,  
or have you made another vague generalization that can't be backed up with facts ?

Go ahead, research this post, and tell me where I haven't answered a question, explained myself or avoided an issue.

The last time you said I skewed the facts, then when asked to substantiate same, you gracefully apologized for being wrong again, which I appreciated.

Dr. Katz, does he suffer from a rare form of architectual tourrettes (sp?) syndrome

[TEPaul]

Pat:

I'll cite you some examples but how's that search coming along for the tape of what Rees said about the scale of Bethpage and WF's bunkers that you said are not remotely the same scale but apparently Rees said he sent a crew to WF to duplicate? I wouldn't even mention it if you hadn't said you an Rees have no disagreement at all on Bethpage. Presumably that meant the scale of the bunkers!

Don't you and Tom Egan dare threaten me with Katz either because as clever as I am I believe I've just come up with a bulletproof way to control that medical maniac too!

[Dr._Katz]

Mr. Paul:

You have a way to control me?  HAH!!

You are to golf course architecture what dog poop is to shoes.  The best way to deal with it is to scrape it off and forget it.  

If you are relying on Tommy from Commieland, you're even more sick than I feared.  

Good God, man.  Get back on your meds!!

[TEPaul]

Don't push it Katz! You sound a tad unprofessional or even panicky to me!

Just take the weekend off and relax and call me on Monday--we need to talk before you get in over your head here!

[Patrick_Mucci]

TEPaul,

In your post of 06-22-02, 12:16am, you state,
"I'll cite you some examples...", but then you go on and never cite any examples.  I understand that, because there aren't any examples to cite, and another appology should be issued

With respect to your inquiry into the status of optaining the Rees interview tape, in my post of 06-15-02, on the Rees on Bethpage thread, I said that I would be seeing some people from TGC "next" week and will get the tape.  You'll be happy to learn that I have made my request and will keep you informed with respect to the status of my obtaining same.
I'm pleased that you are now interested in getting the facts before making proclamations, it shows progress on your part and showcases the abilities of Dr. Katz's efforts on your behalf

On the same Rees on Bethpage thread, I stated that the scale of the bunkers at Bethpage is significantly different from the scale of the bunkers at Winged Foot, I stand by that assessment, do you agree or disagree with that statement ?

[Bruno Sundew]

Patrick
I'm not sure I agree with your last assessment. Have you played Bethpage-Black?

[TEPaul]

Patrick:

Personally, I don't know if the scale of the bunkering at WF and BPB is the same.

What I do know is you don't, as you stated. I also believe I heard Rees Jones say he sent his bunker construction crews to WF to analyze the scale of WF bunkering with the clear idea of copying that bunker scale at Bethpage.

So if that's so how could it be you and Rees are not in disagreement about the Bethpage bunkering?

[Patrick_Mucci]

TEPaul,

Your recollection and the facts might differ !

[Bruno Sundew]

Patrick
Did you see all the Rees Jones' interviews on the Golf Channel, ESPN and ABC? He did his share and he came across articulate, professional and very clear minded? Did you read the articles in Golf, Golf Digest, Sports Illustrated and Golf Journal? They were all consistant with TE's recollection. Are you just pulling are leg; giving a good friend a hard time?  

Have you ever played Winged Foot? Bethpage? I'd like to get your opinion on the scale after you have played both.

[TEPaul]

It's not just my recollection Pat-- a lot of people read what you wrote on here about the scale of the Bethpage bunkers being nothing like WF--but then a lot of us heard Rees say the opposite.

Then you posted on here that you and Rees were not in disagreement on Bethpage!

You're the one that's always howling about "The Facts"--well something doesn't compute here! Why do I think you're going to try to make it compute somehow?

[Patrick_Mucci]

TEPaul,

When eye witnesses to a crime or event are asked to give their testimony relative to the event, almost always they are in conflict and incorrect, that's why video tape is such an effective tool, and why dashboard cameras are being mounted on patrol cars.

As Warner Wolf says, "let's go to the TAPE !"

When the tape is produced, irrefutable evidence will be presented that either supports your contention or mine.
No need to speculate or posture, let's wait for the "facts".
And when the facts are in, we can discuss the issue further.

[TEPaul]

Pat:

Just out of interest what's your recollection of what Rees Jones said about the scale of the bunkering at WF and BPB?