[Sebonac]

Ahhh never fear Tom....I am here....it would seem that more people need a chance to play The Bridge....and let the course come into its own...it takes some time for that to happen....I played the new Seaside course in Sea Island Georgia soon after Fazio redesigned it...and I could not stand it....perhaps partially because the ground on the course was still so hard....I think we all need to chill a little bit....not prejudge The Bridge...and it sounds like it is at least worth trying to get on and play.....Rees is a member of NGLA....and he apparently loves that course....so I would think that he would add some strategic elements to The Bridge...Perhaps he missed a good chance to make a real mark on the East end...

[TEPaul]

Maybe one person actually condemned the Bridge. None of the rest of us condemned the Bridge at all on that incredible "Bridge" topic months ago.

Some of us made comments on some photos of the Bridge on that topic months ago and some very positive comments were made about the architecture too. Not all the comments were completetly positive but most of them were.

I've never played the Bridge but I was there and only said some of the holes looked like they would play very dramatic with some of the elevation changes.

The Bridge topic devolved into one amazingly adverserial thread not so much over the Bridge or it's architecture but over an argument about whether or not anyone has the right to comment on a golf course at all without playing it first. The tenor of those comments were that no one should even comment on architecture from a photo of a golf hole.

And then there was the issue of that containment mounding hiding that temporary maintenance facility. That didn't have anything to do with the Bridge's architecture either except for that particular containment mounding.

That wasn't even a  discussion of that containment mounding either but devolved into whether or not Coore and Crenshaw had done containment mounding on some other East End courses.

[Super Bowl Stinks]

It is not the original, but what the hey, it is still Rees Jones.

[redanman]

Sebonac

The Bridge is a very nice, big wide open exclusive modern golf course.

There is absolutely nothing distinctive at all about it except the views and its location.

I would play again if asked, I would not go out of my way.

I hope this thread dies soon.  The one from the Cigar Magazine is an embarassing joke and this will degenerate to the same, soon.  

[Tom MacWood (Guest)]

I think the opposite. Maybe we should bring back all the old Rees threads - Nantucket, Hollywood, Baltusrol, Bethpage, etc. I think it would be entertaining to see Pat not only battle 7 or eight Rees critics on the Sandpines thread, but also dozen threads at time. I think Pat's up to it, 1 on 100 or so. He's really not into all this architectural stuff, its more the principal of it all, plus I think he sees it as good sport. Pat would have made one hell of a gladiator.

[TEPaul]

"Pat would have made one hell of a gladiator."

'Would have made'??

What about just "is"?

Maybe we can convince him that those days are sort of over now and he can think about entering into the modern world of discussion if he wants to. Tom MacW, maybe you can convince him nicely that now is the time for him to cross over that BRIDGE!

[ForkaB]

Rather than a gladiator, I see Pat Mucci as Lemuel Gulliver, having a nice quiet snooze on the beach whilst 100 or so Lilliputians sneak up on him and try to tie him down.  Throughout all of the Rees threads he has kept his bemused sense of humor and dignity while all of his opponents loose theirs and argue incessantly about whether or not you should eat a boiled egg from the top or the bottom end, just like their counterparts in Swift's masterpiece.

I do feel sorry for The Bridge Thread.  He's be deleleted back to 80+ posts while Cigar races past 300 with no evidence of flagging.  This one's for you, Bridge........

[Tom MacWood (Guest)]

Rich
You got that right...Pat really is a crack up. He had me rolling between the cries of fraud, bias and smear campaign.  

[George Pazin]

bump

[Patrick_Mucci]

Pat:

Great break down of sporty, competitive and championship. Don't know if I would include Meadow Brook in the championshiop category. Strong course but given what the seniors do on it I'm not sold. Any reason why you left out the Black from the championship category?


As to MeadowBrook, you have to view the play in the Senior Tournament in the context of the setup.

Having played the BPB subsequent to this post, and having played it all the way back, it's clearly NOT sporty from those tees.  It's in the championship category.

I also played Piping Rock subsequent to this post and enjoyed it a great deal, placing it in my sporty category.

You should also note that some sporty courses begin to approach or overlap the championship category, but, it's hard for a championship course to be deemed as sporty.   Excessive length tends to squeeze the sporty nature out of the course, unless you're really, really, really long, ie, PGA TP's[/color]

Also, how much credence should sporty courses get when rated up against the big boys as a great golf course? One last question -- if you had to choose between Maidstone, Somerset Hills, Fisher's Island and any other course you would define as sporty how you would rate them from best to least favorable and why?

I don't rate courses from seperate categories against one another.
That's why they have weight classes in boxing and divisions in car racing.

As to rating the sporty courses, I tend to enjoy them all ..... immensely.
So the differential isn't that substantive for me.
Although, WIND as an integral component means a lot to me.[/color]

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